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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:15 pm 
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Hi,
My name is Ali and I am from Mumbai. From the childhood my passion was wild life and angling. From the traditional indian home made Bamboo rods to the modern fancy equipments I have traveled a lot on the path of desire to catch the fish of my dream. As the legendry hunter and the famous book writer Jim Corbett once said that Jungle Lore can not be learned and it can only be absorbe little at a time, i say that the fishing lore is even more difficult to understand. I have fished in ganges in U.P., some canals and ponds in hariyana, Yamuna in paonta sahib, Hathni Kund, kalesar, Gir river in Dadahu and now my new hunts is Powai lake of mumbai beside many small ponds, lakes, nallas and canals. After a career of life time in fishing when i look back, my knowledge in fishing lore is but a little and my bag of catch is still meager. It is great to join this foroum where we can pool the fishing lore and build on the littil information we have so as to go after the elusive fish of our drem a little bit more prepared. mates, I am a wandarer by nature and have done many foolish things in my life. To achive a adventures thrill I have spent many days and nights walking through the places where many of our friends consider it eccentric to even think of going. I have felt the rush of blood and shaking of limbs while coming face to face with a tiger or a Leoperd. I have spent many a night in jungle sleeping under the tree near a water hole expecting every rustle and noise of the jungle to be the approche of some animal. It all is very thrilling but to be honest, the rush of blood and the shaking of limbs when after a long wait my floot dips and after the strike the singing of ripping line from the spool fills the heart with joy and then the line arch through the water towards the nearest snag....... well mates, you all know the feeling.. nothing can beat it.. nothing.
Well, I hope I have not been very boring in my first mail.
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Hello Ali,

Welcome to Indian Angler,.. nice to have one more angler from Mumbai on the forum.. :D

Please share some of your fishing experience & pics.

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Hi Ali2,
Welcome.
Looks like it will have to be Ali 1 & Ali 2 or Alibaba as we have another Ali from Pakisthan registered on IA. :lol:
No better place than the wild mate, i feel more at home on a mat in the jungle than on my bed at home :lol:
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Howdy Ali,

May the front doorknob of your home always smell fishy.

Take care mate it's a jungle in here.


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hey ali (ali2?) dude... :-)
welcome aboard...

hope to see some nice posts/pics about your experiences soon
keep posting...and as MK said please do take care...it's a jungle outta there :lol:

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Hi Ali,

Welcome to IA, the intro was far from boring...you sound like a true angler telling us about the one that got away :wink:, just kidding mate. I enjoyed reading that.

Waiting to hear some more.

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HI Ali,

welcome mate. It sure is a jungle 'HERE'.

good to have more people around here. Hopefully, we can build a strong base & do something for our ecosystem / environment.

have fun here & tight lines


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Hi Ali,

nice to have U on board this crazy rollercoaster.

Post pics ... U could even sketch a pic :lol: of the one that got away

Jude


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Welcome to the forum namesake!


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Friends,
Here is a one which did not got away. A 30 lb Silver Carp with a broken rod for last 10 minuts.
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Ali 2 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Great :shock: fish, Ali.

Broken rod, what line,reel and bait ??? Unless it is a secret :wink:

Must have fed :lol: all the families in the mohalla .

Thanks goodness it was for the pot and not "catch and release".

Otherwise there are some senior anglers here who would have given you solid gaali for the way you are holding that fish .

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:22 pm 
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Great fish Ali.......

What type of line, rod, reel & bait you used ?

Jude is right must have feed the whole mohalla......keep going mat

Welcome buddy to the nut house

Take care
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Nice fish Ali2.. :D

Was it caught in Powai..??

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Hey Ali2,

great fish. I'm surprised that you mentioned only 30lb.....if some others here caught that fish, it would weigh @ 60lb. :lol:

keep it up dude, but dont empty the lake, save one big fella for me when I get back.


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Hey Ali

Welcome aboard mate .. nice catch ... like everyone says its a jungle out here

hey OMO """No better place than the wild mate, i feel more at home on a mat in the jungle than on my bed at home """

You would feel at home out there ... No one makes them 8 foot beds any more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Fredfish wrote:
Hey Ali


hey OMO """No better place than the wild mate, i feel more at home on a mat in the jungle than on my bed at home """

You would feel at home out there ... No one makes them 8 foot beds any more :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fred, trust you to know the reason for everything mate! :lol:
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Nice fish Ali :)


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Simply G8 fish :D :D


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A G8 fish?

I thought he caught that around here. did he go to the summit?

Next there'll be WHO fish and Interpol fish...


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Hi Ali,

Welcome to IA !!

Nice fish. Where was it caught ?


tight lines

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Caught this one in Powai Lake, Mumbai. Any one of you willing to join me for a go at these monsters and is not a member of maharashtra state Angling Association, (it is said that there are 80 pounder fishes in this lake :roll: ) can be my guest. It will be a great fun to go fishing with you masters. Specially if you want to go after the elusive catla, don't forget to bring your secret ground bait. :P :P . It is said that mansoon is the best time to fish in powai. So what about a nice outing. U ALL ARE INVITED.

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Hi Ali,
Tell us about the kind of tactics you guys use in Powai lake. We have been hearing many stories.
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angler_ali wrote:
U ALL ARE INVITED.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Powai lake is never going to be same again.. :twisted: :twisted:

Jokes apart..I am not a master.. so its me who will be learning from you.. :roll: ..

Fred, he is inviting us.. [smilie=party.gif]


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Great catch Ali !

Did the fish take the hook or was it foul hooked ?
And what size hook did you use ?


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Hey Ali,

I have been trying to catch one of these silvers at Bhakra for a long time. Can you please give me the details - bait used, tackle set up, ground bait, etc.

Or why don't you come along with us and show us how to get these monsters.


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Hi again,
Every thing we do in Powai will fall under the category of foul fishing.


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Ali


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Hi Ali

I would appreciate it if foul hooking articles are not put up on this site. This site is meant to promote conservation and catch and release. Please ensure that this is the last post on the forum about foul hooking. You are welcome to discuss this with others on PM but not on the site.

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Sorry Bopanna,
My sincere apology. I am deleteing the above mail.
Regards,

Ali. :shock:


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Hi Ali,

Please share your groundbaiting techniques since that will be useful for our members. What is your groundbait made up of?

Bopanna


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Yes Ali, please tell us the recipe, how many days you pre-bait for and the rest.

Got to catch one of those silvers one day. We see hundreds of them basking on still evenings.

There is another angler who visits Bhakra. He claims that silver carp get carnivorous after reaching a certain size (10kg+) and then hit plugs. But in my 12 years of going to Bhakra i have never seen it happen. What's your take on this?


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Hello Ken,

we people here use coconut pachani (pretty nasty thing)...with ground bait
terminal/tackle bait: use bread with cocnut biscuit (cheap option) or even coconut fried in desi ghee, soften the bread with that stinky pachani stuff first....

what's your approach ali bro regarding silvers??? :roll:

never heard of silvers' getting carnivorous though :shock:
may be gavin can put some more lights from kolkata scenario :lol:

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saikibryan wrote:
we people here use coconut pachani (pretty nasty thing


Dear Saiki,

What is Coconut Pachani?? do you need to make it or do you buy it in that form.

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Hi Again,

Hi Ken and all of you,

It is not easy to catch any of these monsters as they rarely take the bated hooks inside their mouth. If you want to catch them you have to prepare yourself on three fronts, namely Ground Baiting, Tackle Set up and hook baiting. I am not an expert on those things but with the limited knowledge I have, I will try to explain each of these steps.

Ground baiting; Ground baiting is a subjective since and there are many theories regarding this art of seduction. Many of you may differ and may have your own theories but as per the general consensuses, the points which requires most attention are,
• Ground baiting should be localized and should not exceed an area of 2 feetsx2feets.
• Place your hooks just ahead of your ground baited area.
• Non food items and any thing which contaminates the water should never be used.
• The ground bait should not smell rancid or foul.
• Never use huge quantity of ground bait as it will have opposite effect.
• The best ground bait for one trip is 3 kg. Cake crumbles, 500 grams. Mustered khully soaked overnight, 250 grams Poha. Mixed with clay (Clay should be about twice the volume of above mixture.). Mix about 150 grams of Calcutta Masala to this mixture. Mix some water and when the mixture becomes of clayey consistency make small balls leaving small amount of this mixture. Mix about ½ kg of cake to this mixture so as to make some loose mixture. Add another 50 grams of Calcutta masala to this mixture so it becomes strong smelling.
• Throw the balls as mentioned above with minimum splashing and go on throwing some of the mixture (Very small quantity.) every half hour.
• If you do not have with you any Calcutta masala add some ginger and onion to this mixture. You can also add jeera, tej patta, methi, kaloungi, jaiphal, dal chini, dhania and ajwain duly roasted lightly and then ground and mixed with coconut oil. Add some base, like mustered khully to it. The paste thus made should be kept in sun for at least 15 to 20 days before it gives a strong appetizing smell. I will prefer you go for the Calcutta masala as it is the best attractant.

Tackle Set Up; use a line which is well camouflaged. It should match the color of water you are fishing. Give a chance to the fish and use minimum breaking strength of line with minimum drag. 200 meters of 15 lb line is adequate.
The lightest peacock feather float adjusted with a rubber band tied on the line should be used. The angle of line with water surface (Float onward should be 30 to 45 degree depending upon the depth of water you are fishing.
The most important part is how to add weight with your hooks so as to place them correctly. Any of the biggies or for that matter any fish spit out the bait if it feels any weight attached to it. Never tie any weight before or behind the hook. The method adopted by me is that I pass my line through the weight and limit this weight by one small artificial pearl attached to the line just ahead of the hook with help of a rubber band. Through this method the fish does not feel any weight while taking the bait and the moment transfer to the float is maximum.

Hook Bait: Take one bread and remove the brown part. Soak that bread with milk. Remove excess milk by pressing the bread by both hands. Mix at least 100 grams of milk maid to this and mix properly. This mix should be soft and white. When placing this on hook dip that again in milk maid. This is the best hook bait I know. You can also use smelling Cheese. Change the color of your bait sometime by using small amount of haldi to it.

Hope these tips will help you in landing one of the monsters of Bhakra dam.

Best of luck

Regards.

Ali :D


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Thanks Ali..

art of seduction...sure it is :shock:

Maid will be new addition to my tackle box.. :lol: :twisted:


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Thanks a lot Ali,

Tell me what is Calcutta masala. Do you get it easily at grocery stores.


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Thanks Ali, thats great explanation


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Ken,
Calcutta Masala is only available in calcutta. I have posted some addresses somewhere In the bait tackle and tactice. Go through the addresses and you can get your masala from those shops.
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Hi Ali,

the Tel Nos. dont work.. :cry:


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angler_ali wrote:
Every thing we do in Powai will fall under the category of foul fishing.



I know .... most unfortunately though ... and that exactly, was the purpose of my question.
I too was told that the only way to fish in Powai was the way " we all do" and no fish is ever caught with the hook in the mouth !!! I dont believe it - Although I am not a regular , I have personally caught Mirgals at Powai with the hook cleanly taken in the mouth. The same time my fishing partner has caught Rohus, mirgals, Tilapias - ALL foul hooked !!! The hook bait was the same, the ground bait was the same, the site was the same - just the fishing technique differed.

Can this practice not be changed ? We have forum members who fish at powai - perhaps they can make a start.

Whats the scene at Fort William, Gavin ?


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There is a solution to the fish not taking a baited hook. Use a hair rig, it works. The fish will take the bait into it's mouth and then spit it out when it feels the line/hook. Since the hook is free hanging when a hair rig is used, the fish will hook itself and bolt. When this happens the hook will penetrate further and give you a guaranteed hook up.

With a hair rig, it helps to mould the bait around a styrofoam ball which is attached to the hair. The foam ball gives the bait more buoyancy and is less likely to spook the fish. Due to the added buoyancy the bait is likely to move when the big fish move into the swim. This will make it easier for the fish to find the hook bait.

For a good example of the hair rig, have a look at the following pages.

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/carp/hair_rig.htm

http://www.carpanglersgroup.com/hairandboltrig.html

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Hawkeye - At the Fort, people pride themselves on hooking the fish properly..If by chance, a fish is foul hooked, the angler himself is disappointed. And not to mention he gets a mouthful from other anglers as well. :lol: :lol:
I guess Bongs take immense pride in groundbaiting and their bait and feel that it should be good enough for big fish to be caught with.. Properly !!

Foul-hooking used to be a thing followed till a few years back, but since them angling associations and clubs have made stricter rules and limited the number of hooks and the type of baits taht can be used.. As a result of which, there is somewhat a sense of civilisation that has crept into the fishing here..

I personally wouldn't class these people ( "foul-hook"ers ) as true anglers, though.. But then again it's my personal opinion..


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the first part of the term 'foul hooking' seems to sum it all up.


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angler_ali wrote:
Hi Again,

The most important part is how to add weight with your hooks so as to place them correctly. Any of the biggies or for that matter any fish spit out the bait if it feels any weight attached to it. Never tie any weight before or behind the hook. The method adopted by me is that I pass my line through the weight and limit this weight by one small artificial pearl attached to the line just ahead of the hook with help of a rubber band. Through this method the fish does not feel any weight while taking the bait and the moment transfer to the float is maximum.


Ali :D

Hi Ali,
Your method of using weight is interesting, but not very clear to me. Any possibility of posting a picture of the set up of your terminal tackle for float fishing.
Thanks & Regards
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Ken,
I do not think the method I have posted above will fall under the category of foul hooking. It’s a big debate that what falls under the foul hooking and what is proper hooking. The objective is catching the fish with a method where the fish and the angler do have equal chance. The second objective is that if the fish escapes after it is hooked then it should have a very high chance of survival and the injury caused to it should be minimum. It was meant as a joke that what ever we do in Powai will fall under the category of foul hooking. Lets not start a debate on this issue.

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Ali..

Sure owen, I will post some photographs to illustrate this method.


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Hey Ali Kindly post the Snaps in the Image gallery & some of ur fishing snaps also..... :lol:


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Hey Ali!

The debate does not exist in my mind at all. Nor am I trying to pass any judgement.

Either you hook fish in their mouths after they have picked up the bait. Or you jerk the line when they are around and hope to snag one of them. Where you hook them with this method, body, fins or near the mouth, does not seem to matter. That is what is foul about it.

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Gavin Ridge Cooke wrote:
Foul-hooking used to be a thing followed till a few years back, but since them angling associations and clubs have made stricter rules and limited the number of hooks and the type of baits taht can be used.. As a result of which, there is somewhat a sense of civilisation that has crept into the fishing here..


Brother anglers from Powai ... shouldn't we also be taking this path ??


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IndianAngler wrote:
There is a solution to the fish not taking a baited hook. Use a hair rig, it works. The fish will take the bait into it's mouth and then spit it out when it feels the line/hook. Since the hook is free hanging when a hair rig is used, the fish will hook itself and bolt. When this happens the hook will penetrate further and give you a guaranteed hook up.

With a hair rig, it helps to mould the bait around a styrofoam ball which is attached to the hair. The foam ball gives the bait more buoyancy and is less likely to spook the fish. Due to the added buoyancy the bait is likely to move when the big fish move into the swim. This will make it easier for the fish to find the hook bait.

For a good example of the hair rig, have a look at the following pages.

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/carp/hair_rig.htm

http://www.carpanglersgroup.com/hairandboltrig.html

Cheers
Bopanna

Ali / Hawkeye, i can spare you guys a few pre tied rigs and a baiting needle each. This will work guys. Set a new trend in Powai, with good groundbaiting and the right hook bait, you guys could be boilie kings :D
If you want notes on how to make boilies, i can share that too.
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Hi Owen,

Can you post a picture of pre tied rigs? Please also share how to make boilies.. :D

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Hi Ali,

Nce fish there.Talk about the cal masala.I remember a Bong friend of mine using something called "Jaldi Khao" !! to hook rhous in the lakes around Ahmedabad where I used to live for a while. Is this masala the same?

Tight lines
Jeen


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