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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:46 pm 
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Hi Guys..

After having gone through some of the few forum's posted.. i feel i am way behind in this sport with so little information on fishing. :( .. Would request you guru's to help me learn more.. I would be very keen if you guys invite me to your next fishing trip. ..I am a good observer :-)

Regards.. Vishal Gonsalves


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Well Mr. Kofi Annan...here's a new twist to the tale...


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Dude - You bring the booze and the lessons are for free :twisted: :twisted:

Freddie will get the Jelly Bums.. :wink: :wink:


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Gavin Ridge Cooke wrote:
Dude - You bring the booze and the lessons are for free :twisted: :twisted:

Freddie will get the Jelly Bums.. :wink: :wink:


Oi Gavin,

What about the dancing girls, cold grapes... seedless preferably, the red carpet, wine, the limo transport to the lake.....???

Angling's not a cheap hobby to pick up :wink:

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Mighty Marlin.


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Hey MM,

You forgot the 40 ft Hatteras or Bertram..

Well all that talk has wetted my appetite, its almost 1700 on a Friday evening here mate, I can feel all the Bars in Lan Kwai Fong calling out to me. Guess who’s gonna be mermaid fishing today?

:twisted: :twisted:

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Yup Bobby,
How could I forget :oops: Have fun tonight and leave your gaff at home.

Tight Lines,
Mighty M


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Bobs fishing mermaids mate ... he wont need the gaff ... where would he put it


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Well, I'll just string em' through the gill

If any of you guys are ever here, I promise i'll take you guys to a few good swims.. :lol:


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Hey MM, all included in the package...

Bobster - dont string them for too long.. The after-effects could be a killer :twisted: :twisted:
And talking about swims, dude .. U get ur behind here and I will show u some really big swims.. U just cant miss :wink: :wink: :wink:

Freddie - dont worry about the gaff.. Heard bobby has patented some Hongkong-Singapore teknik of gaffing things... You guys must have heard of his "fishing pole" misadventure .... :badgrin:


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You cheapsters... you talked of everything else but the fishing dates :twisted: its ok.. i would have expected the same.

Bobby..i accept your invitation of swiming with mermaids..sounds good.

Gavin..drinks promised..but which one RUM or COUNTRY :lol: i read somewhere you mentioned...they work good on a catla... so much in common haan..


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Now I know why you fluffers dont work .... too busy chasing 2 pieces instead of fish ... lets get back to work and fish ...


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Hey Vishal - You getting the hang of this Nuthouse... RUM is used for getting the catlas to you... COUNTRY is what you give them when they are with you...

Call it the HR technique .... :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Trust Mr Cooke to cook up something ... nice photograph and article of yours mate


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Made sure they were not taken out of the water and were all released unharmed.

What is this article and pictures you are talking about Freddy?


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You guys have my head in a spin :roll:
Poor Vishal wants some angling tips, and you blokes are leading him down the road to purgatory.
Gavin come Dec, i will skin you alive mate. :lol:
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Owen Bosen wrote:
Gavin come Dec, i will skin you alive mate. :lol:
Regards
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And use him as bait, he will probably make good Catla bait given the fact that he must be pickled in alcohol


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:shock: :shock: :shock: them be some peoples who are seriously gunning for my b-hind...

Owen - dont worry about the Skinning alive bit.. Got the threats many times but the "spirits" protect me :wink: :twisted: :twisted:

Bobster - Am good for all... One size fits all, you see :twisted: :twisted:


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That confirms any doubts I had..


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:P :P :P

This goes to Vishal - On a serious note, mate.. If you ever need any info on rohu,catla or mrigals, just give me a buzz and will help you out..

On other fish, sorry mate, you can contact the Bangers on that !!


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Hi Gavin.. thanks
Which is the best hook bait for Catla. I havent seen anyone catching a catla with a hookbait at the place i fish. we normally use ground bait and a foul hooked techni.

Even for rohu and mrigal, i have people mixing some paste in bread along with some butter this is then put on to the hook.. those guys catch lot of fish with it..but they wont let u know the secret.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:17 pm 
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Hi Vishal... Dude you the one whose caught the mammoth catla :lol: :lol: Anyways the hooks i use are pretty big. Dont know the # correctly but in can quite comfortably go around an old Re.1/- coin.. I use big hooks as it keeps the small fish from taking the bait and spoiling the feed..

For rohus, i use small hooks.. Best way to describe the hook is that it can quite comfortably go around an old 25paise coin..

Trust this clarifies... Am sending belli a mail on catla bait.. Do you wnat me to send u too ??


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Hey Gavin, Ur right.. i caught that big Catla.. but if u remember... i also mentioned it was foul hooked... infact i have suggested some ground bait to Belli as well.. this will get the catla close to ur hook..but the burger never bites the hook.. hence we foul hook him

Please copy me on the email u'll send belli

Thanks Vishal :lol:


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when catlas eat, they are perpendicular to the ground.. Another style of their eating habits is that, they dont grab the bait and take off, like other fish. Instead they suck at the bait and keep spitting it out.. This is why that during the sucking (no wise comments please :evil: ), the come across the poke of the hook and then take off.. In most cases, people fishing for catla have multiple hook, maybe 5 or 6.. This results in atleast one of the hooks getting stuck onto the fish.. In the process of the fight, the rest of the hooks get stuck in too....

This has been told to me by various catla "ustaads"... However I do not appreciate my catch if it is foul-hooked ( no matter what fish).. But that's my opinion..

Hope that this can clear out the reason for catlas being foul-hooked so many times.


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Thanks Gavin..
What bait would you suggest on the hook to catch a Catla.. anything in particular.

I know that bread with butter works good for Mirgal and Rohu.. but it never worked for a catla.

Can you share some other tips passed onto you by the ustads..

I hope i am not asking too many things in one go.. please excuse me if so..
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Vishal Gonsalves


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:42 pm 
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I was once told by a Bengali angler that his best bait for Catla was a Rossogulla!

He said that the rossogulla being porous would have a neutral buoyancy. When used in conjunction with a small lead weight to keep it close to the bottom the rossogulla would move when the fish came close and thereby attract attention!

The sweet syrup in the rossogulla would act as an attractant as well.

He also maintained that the rossogulla would be difficult for smaller fish to nibble.

:shock:

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Such sweet sods these Catla. :lol:


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That was an interesting tip Bops.. thanks. Shall try it out.


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Hey Bops, the Bengali angler must have got his rosogullas wrong :lol: :lol: :lol: .. Have you ever tried putting three big hooks into a rosogulla and then casting ?? The bloody thing would break up in no time... Also the smaller fish, swimming in numbers, would easliy break up the rosogullas in no time..

For catlas, the bait has to be extremely soft due to their peculiar feeding habits.. Catla baits would normally be left for 45 mins to an hour in the water..

Rosogullas juice is used with the bait as it has a very sweet scent and attracts the fish.. I personally dip the bait into the juice and then cast..
Has worked on many occassions..


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Hey Gav, I guess you haven't heard of a hair rig? That's what he was using with a rossogulla.

Bops


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I know what a hair rig is and have also used it at times when the bottom was dirty... But till date I havent seen anyone using rosogulla as bait.. Dont think I will try it though :roll: :roll:


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Boys,

Don't go wasting rasgoolas, cake, dough, rasins, biriyani, gelusil,RUM (for heaven's sake!!)
Now come on get a grip.....

Mighty Marlin.

For Catla dynamite works for sure :lol: :wink:


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Hey MM,

Agree with you on the RUM part... Waste of a bloody good nectar..
However if i see you anywhere next to a water body with a dynamite in your hand, dude, the dyanmite's going south :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: and you gonna see a "smoking end" to your fishing trips :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wink: :wink:


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Gavin,

Guess I'm spolit.... easy access to big Mahseer does that :wink: 8)
Catla's never really been on my radar.
Thanks for the warning I'll leave the Catla water to you :wink:

Regards,
Mighty Marlin.


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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Gav sent me an email on the worlds richest beggar .... the bugger looked like Gav


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Interesting thread V.
As a teacher and qualified angling coach I could help you with specifics of technique, but I am a bit of a novice on how it can all apply to Indian angling situations.

If the Catla pick up and eject baits, they are feeding exactly how most cyprinids feed all over the world. Bops is right to suggest a hair rig, but it would need to be used with a critically balanced bait on a short hooklength and a semi-fixed bomb for maximum effect.

I did suggest on another thread that we should have a brainstorming session early next year somewhere down south. Myself, Dicky Fisk and Jim Smith would love to get together with some of you guys and discuss our ways of fishing.
We all land in Mumbai on 1st Feb and will hot foot it down to malvalli ASAP. The other two are only in India for 3 weeks, but I'm there until the end of April, so there should be time to get something together.


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Hey Freddie - the dude earns a thousand bucks a day :shock: :shock:


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Lets do that Steve. I have been studying some of your carp techniques, and am going to try out a few new things this weekend.
I do belive that steady ground baiting will also be required along with a complete change in fishing style, so will be doing that on 1 rod, while i float fish with he other.
Our lake fish (except the catla) have much smaller mouths than your carp, so the size of the bait will have to be 10mm - 14mm or so.
I have quite a few hair rigs, that i will give a try with some particle baits.
Might even make some ragi boilies with eggs beaten in, and some cork added for bouyancy.
Lets see how it goes.
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:idea: For bouyancy, thermocol is an alternative


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Do you mean to suspend the rig by using thermocole tied above the bait ?
Won't that look pretty obvious to our intelligent swimming friends.
I thought more on the lines of using cork particles mixed within the bait.
What do you think?
Owen


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yup, you can tie the thermocol about 8 to 10inches from the bait.. Haven't tried this much but heard it works.. Guess Robbie can update on this..


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I know Robby does not use this method at all. He is a float fisherman, and keeps the bait suspended off the bottom with the help of a float only.


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OK.... I dont think it would work wt the catla as the bait used, is pretty big and am sure no bloody thermocol is gonna keep this bait up...

Let me see, if i can ask some Bong about this method and how its done


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Try out the boilie recipe i sent you with ingredients that the catla would like. Put a small peice of cork in the middle of the ball and experiment.


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Dude, can u mail me the recipe ?


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Sent it to you last week "Boilie Basics".
Hope you didn't take it to the loo with you :lol:


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Sorry mate... totally forgot :oops: :oops: :oops: .. Got it on my desktop.. ( Stupid bloody work, got me all confused)

Anybody knows any rich widows ??? :twisted: :twisted:


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What you guys need to do is read "Carp Fever" by Kevin Maddocks

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Does it have any rich widows in it ?? :twisted:


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I'll add plenty of rig foam to the list of things I'm bringing with me next year. Little slices of it can be added on top of a pellet, boilie or corn to help it to balance.
The idea is that; a fish sucks in the bait, which goes further back in its mouth than it can deal with due to the neutral bouyancy. It is harder for the fish to eject and if the bait is on a hair, should the fish manage to eject the bait, the hook should stay in the mouth, or prick the fish.

I have some artificial corn, as well that you guys might want to have a play with. Some of that is designed to pop up, or balance a standard grain of corn.

If you want my advice for the catla, make sure you can see the effect the weight of the bait has on the float. That way, you know instantly if a fish is mouthing the bait.
Plumbing the depth is critical, to set the bait just touching bottom, and you need to strike (a gentle lift would be a better description) at every indication.


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