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Hello Dibu, Welcome to the forum !

Lots of hardcore Mahseer anglers here so you should get lots of info not only about the Kaveri, but also about other rivers in India that hold sizeable fish.
Funny, i tried the url that you mentioned (mission-masheer) but could not find the website. Also tried a google search, and came up blank.

I will try to answer some of your queries with my limited experience.

1. The lunar phase that you talked about, probably coincided with the drop in water levels on the river. The mahseer do eat better in lower water level conditions, constant variations in water levels seem to put them off eating.
The clarity of the water is a very important factor in the resulting number of takes that you get. So in other words coloured high water doesn't help much.
Water tempreature is the third important factor, and the water tempreature between mid Jan and mid March seems ideal for the lower stretches of the Kaveri (Galibori camp), where as the fishing in Bheemeshwari during the same period does not seem to be as good but is better from late November to the beginning of Jan when the water is higher and the big pools are full.
The larger slower pools in Galibori area have also produced some good fish during this period, but the best runs (the rapids) cannot be fished this early due to the high water level.

2. As for bait, ragi is not the only bait that we use, though it certainly is a good one. If you fish only the big deep pools, you will find mostly takes on ragi, but river crabs and paddy feild crabs are a very good option too.

However when you move to the rapids both ragi, chilwa (small fish) and spinning with large bright spoons are excellent.

We keep trying out various baits when bites are slow, but sometimes if the water and weather conditions are not right, nothing may work.

As you may have read, we do quite a bit of night fishing for masheer, and there is some great action in deep pools at night.
Of course this may not be possible for those staying at the Jungle Lodges campsites due to the camp restrictions, but we WASI members rarely stay at their camp sites and set up camp at some choice spots on the river, where it is possible to sit up all night with your rod right at your campsite.

3. The boilies that you have mentioned have been introduced into your lakes, and over a period of time the fish there have become addicted to their taste and smell, well the same can be said for ragi i suppose, which is the staple food of the people of Karnataka.

By the way does your company need anyone out here in India to test out their equipment :roll: Yours truly would be most interested in doing so and giving you the right feedback on your gear. :lol:

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Hi Dibu,
Maybe you got me wrong about the moon phase and water levels.
I meant that it is just a coincidence that the water levels changed with the moon phase while you were fishing the Kaveri, and yes the water release from the dams upriver has more to do with the water level variation than anything else, except for some sudden very heavy showers that can bring up the water level and discolour the water.

This year has been a particularly poor year for Masheer angling on the Kaveri due to the intermittent release of water from the KR Sagar dam upstream. The rainfall last year is probably the highest we have had for many years in this region, and hence the out flow.

Another factor that we have been considering is the fact that this stretch has become overfished, and accessable to people who would never have stepped into this area say 5 years back, and this too has taken its toll on the fishing and the favourite haunts of the very wily fish that we have spent much of our lives in persuit of.

Coming down to tackle, and line in particular, i have seen quite a few Indian line manufacturers listed on the web, but do they really make the kind of mono that we use ? As you are aware we guy's mostly use 30 to 40 lb monofilament, that is abrasion resistant. Does the line that you refer to compare to brands like Berkley Big Game, Andyline, Maxima, Drennan etc. I find that most of the Indian manufacturers make line that is of larger diameter for the same given strength. Can you share your thoughts with us.
I have tried many of the lighter lines manufactured here (6 to 12 lb) and have found them no match for line manufactured by the above mentioned companies, and hence never risk loosing a Masheer on inferior quality line ( not to say that i have not lost big fish due to breaks on excellent quality line).
And by the way I am Indian.
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Hi Owen,

thanks for your two long replies.

Fishing lines: The extruding process for making a fishing line needs high end machinery. The extruders used in India or China should all be made in Europe or the USA, they are on the same high standard as everywhere in the world. The polymere raw materials are coming from Germany from BASF and a few other sources.

This is the base for making a good fishing line. There are a few things that are needed to get a line into very good or very special. The knowledge about this might not be available to all Chinese or Indian factories. I mean the raw materials or additional ingrediences to make invisible fluocarbon lines, camouflage two tone lines, or special bath and stretching procedures needed to get either a very soft or very stiff line.

Chinese or Indian manufacturers are able to make very acceptable lines. This is something I'm looking at for my own fishing. You might have noticed my fishing here in Europe in is mostly for good size carp. The fishing is bottom fishing in lakes, rivers or canals. I use lines I can trust but that don't need big money.

If you're fishing very expensive lines the money might press you into leaving the line on the reels for too long. When I had plenty of time for fishing in the past (2 to 3 days or nights per week) I changed my line at least every two month. You can't do this when using the expensive brands.

I think to change the line on a regular base should be even more important for you fishing such extremely rocky and snaggy waters (with the lines exposed to heavy sunshine and UV rays all the time).

Breaking strength: If a Indian or Chinese 40 or 50lbs line is lower as stated, say maybe 35lbs. it is also no big problem as even with a big mahseer on one end and you pulling heavily on the other there will be no pressure on it close to 35lbs. Try out by yourself: Connect your tackle to a proper scale and pull as hard as possible...you'll be surprised how little pressure can be made.

Breaking strength in general: In the past many brands were lying about the breaking strength. Italian suppliers have been the most infamous, sometimes making their lines 3 to 4 stronger as it really was. The European Fishing Tackle Trade Association (EFTTA) developed a line testing process because of this and the liars have been made public. So nowadays I think you can trust mostly the information about European brands, maybe even more as US lines.

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