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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:39 pm 
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I have a distant relative who loves eating murrel but is not an angler. He has a farm near a small river, which has lot of murrel. The river is lined on both the banks by farmland and the farmers are pure vegetarian so no one ever fishes there. So whenever he wants a murrel for dinner, he goes to the river and climbs a flat rock about 15 feet high and sits on it. Around 1 or 2 o clock in the afternoon when the murrel come up for air or for basking in the sun, he takes out his 30-06 rifle fitted with a 4x32 scope and takes aim a few inches below the fish to compensate for water refraction and pulls the trigger. The murrel is blown to the high heavens :roll:. poor fish. Since he uses hard nose bullets, it drills a clean hole and does not destroy the flesh.

Next month i will give him a visit and try to show him that angling is a better alternative for getting murrel. I have ordered few frogs from cabelas(as advised by owen) and i think that should work. I want to know the best time of the day and the best time of the year to catch them.I even want to know how the frogs are to be retrived as i have no experience with artificial lures. can we target wallago attu with these lures? and do ledgered worms work for these fish? moreover when is their breeding season? waiting for your advice..


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Hey Mate,

Don't want to pass any judgement but I think shooting fish is dangerous if not a bit stupid.

Bullets skip off water. And then who knows where they can go. Just to inform you that a bullet has a singular purpose in life - hit something. And there are farms around as you say. So you do the maths.

Mate please get your distant relative to check on the net as to how many accidents have happened 'coz of this. Since you plan to visit him take the opportunity to educate the bloke. In short teach him how to fish with a rod.

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Hi Doc!
Use the frogs by just dipping them in the water with a short line, if there are as many murral as you say, they will go for it. Keep to the banks, murral are seldom in deep water.
You can also cast and retreive the frog slowly using a swivel between the frog and the mainline.
Mepps spinners in silver colour are also a great way of catching them.
Bright sunshine around mid day should be the best time for success with spinners.
I think they should breed like most other fish during the monsoon period.
For wallago attu you will need a meaty bait. You can use a small fish or even a piece of fish or catch a small fish and after taking off the scales, cut thin long strips off the fish and threadle it onto the hook. Even a chunk of any meat can work. Use large hooks if the fish are big, size 4/0 to 8/0 should be fine for the big ones. Remember to put a lot of flesh on the hook.
Even earth worms will work for both murral and walago attu.
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Hey!
Wallago attu hits a lure pretty well. Caught a lot at a place called Naurora, 100+ clicks out of Delhi, in 2002. We used countdowns, husky jerks, rattlins and shad raps (Deep Divers in the day and Shallow runners in low light). Colours varied from silvers to blues but the more real the better. A lot of nice Chital and Singhara too would take.

There were supposed to be a lot of Mahseer and even a few Gangetic Dolphin but I never saw them.

Wonder what is happening there right now.


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hi owen/ken,

Iam in no way condoning this mans act. I think it is very foolish and dangerous to do it. That is why i want to convert this man to angling. I just wanted to show that such a thing happens. Thanks a lot for the info. did you use metal leaders for the wallago attu?


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No wire trace or leader. We used a few feet of heavy mono. Did have a few break offs but I was informed that it was 'Silund' that just go through the mono.

The locals would use a kind of silk braid as a leader. The explanation was that the strands get between the teeth and can't be bitten by the fish.


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Use a thin wire leader if you are ledgering, the wallago have nice sharp teeth. I have never caught them on a lure, as not many fish take lures that freely here in the south. This is bound to get the hackles up for guys like Bops :lol:


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Am told -
take 2- 3 strands of a clutch /brake cable and use it as a leader.wrap your swivel at one end and tie with cotton thread and then a few drops odf araldite
same at the other end to form a loop to tie your hook.
try 40lb mono and see /tell us what the story is...
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Probably have a bird nest because of the twist on the cable Asif.
Piano wire or a guitar string for one time use should work for medium to light fishing.
Have we been down this road before :roll:


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 Post subject: Shooting Murrel
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What a shamefful waste of Cartridges,Murrel and Money. You could tell your
cousin that we will catch Murrel for him in exchange for 30.06 Cartridges.

Small Fry/Big Fish.


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What a shamefful waste of Cartridges,Murrel and Money. You could tell your
cousin that we will catch Murrel for him in exchange for 30.06 Cartridges.




And what would you do with the cartridges alexis???


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Use the lead for sinkers :lol:


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keep your powder dry mate, this is one ingredient even Gav wont recommend in the bait! :evil: 8)


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A few of things that seem to be missed re using a .30-06 for maral:

1. A .30-06 bullet would never ricochet off water, no matter the angle. A typical bullet, say 180grains, at 2700fps, develops 2,900ft.lbs of kinetic energy. Unlike light which does have a critical angle at the air/water interface for refraction/reflection, a 30-06 bullet would simply bulldoze through. A flat stone thrown by someone would develop a relatively minute energy, and hence skip. Do the sums.

2. To be able to see the maral in the first place, the shooter would have to be facing the water at an angle greater than 48.6 degrees (critical angle for air-water) else he will not be able to see anything underwater. So rest assured he's shooting quite steeply into the water and, therefore, any stray villager is quite safe.

3. You never shoot the fish. You shoot near it's head and let the shock-wave scramble its brain and any soft tissue that carelessly happens to be present (the concussive water-hammer effect that did in many a U Boat).


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Hi Guys,

The topic of 'murral shooting' is not a new one in this country. I've been on many a river/dam where the locals go after murral with a gun.

I remember some years ago I travelled through Madhya Pradesh in search of new waters to fish and heard stories of huge fish being shot. That was the only way it was done. It was really irritating cos many people offered to take me to their secret spots to try for these huge murral and more often the rivers and dams they took me to had more weeds than water. Perfect murral habitat, snag city, but useless for me.

On the Cauvery I was out with a bunch of guys all weilding their .22's claiming they shot murral regularly. I was quite cool as it was murral shooters vs anglers. I pulled out the only murral caught that session, a 3.5kilo fish that became dinner. Guess the anglers won that round, but we all lost as the fish wasn't put back.

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Hola, Senor MM is back! como usted?
Hey, good to have you back,
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PS-am doing the sums-, 48 degrees it is! ;)


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Where do marral fight? I saw them give up the fight pretty easy...or they spit out my lure and have a guffaw at me :twisted:

What does the mystic 'Nano' look like? pics?


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hi Mm,

I agree with eljefe. show us a picure of your spinner. ....please!


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Give me few days as I've left all the Nanos (except my iPod) in India but can make up one for a picture soon as I get some time.
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Hi Asif,

While on the topic of spinners (this one very like but not quite), I thought you would find this one interesting, also look at the beauty she lured:





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Thanks Bobby,
(Credited wrongly earlier!;))
My kinda wishful thinking- a no 8 hook and 8 lb line for a hair rig and lets have some fun...the lead weight for the bolt tied on with cotton twine to aid in biodegradation.
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