->

INDIANANGLER

India fishing forum for all the information you require on angling, equipment, locations and trip reports.
It is currently Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:59 pm

All times are UTC+05:30




Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: What Tackle for Murrel
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:36 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:41 am
Posts: 36
Location: Hyderabad, India
Hi Guys,

Lets have some fun!! :lol:

What do YOU think is the best outfit for Murrel fishing? Please also mention what type of lures/methods you use.

Most of the fishing we guys in Hyderabad do for Murrel is with spinners - all the Hyderabad boys I know use the same lures on the Cauvery too.

My ideal combo is:

Rod - 7' Medium action/Casting weight upto 30 grams/Line rating - upto 12 lbs

Reel - Spinning Reel Line capacity 200 yards of 8 lbs mono

Lures - Most commonly used - Mepps Dressed Aglia # 4 & 5(silver).
Also Top water lures like the Jitter Bug
Frankly, when the Murrel are hungry they will take anything

I use 8 lbs line most of the time. However, if I'm fishing an area with a lot of cover or snags I change over to 12 lbs line. For fishing Top water lures in weeds I use 30 lbs Braid

Cheers,

Cauvery Cowboy


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:17 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:43 am
Posts: 708
Location: Bangalore, India.
Good topic Marc. Damned if I know what is the best tackle for murrel but what I have at present seems to work well....when I cast in the right direction, that is. :mrgreen:

Rods: Shimano Beastmaster SBM210M or Shimano Convergence CVS-60M-2.

Reels: Shimano Symetre 4000RI or 2500RI

Line: Berkley Trilene Big Game 12 and 10 lbs. mono.

Lures: Mepps Agila Nos. 3, 4 & 5.

What weights do the murrel go to in Hyderabad?

Rustam


Last edited by Rustam Bana on Sun May 06, 2007 12:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:53 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:52 pm
Posts: 106
CC / Rustam,

This may be an eye-opener for you...

Last year in Cauvery, I fished for the murrel for the first time (usually, my group is always hell-bent on the mahseer!). So George and I went down to the river at Bhimeshwari, with 7-ft rods, small spinning reels (Penn spinfisher 4400, Shimano Sahara 4000), 10-lb Maxima Chameleon.

We figured that the murrel, like many other snakeheads, would prefer structure/snags, so we thought we had better chances with snag-free lures instead of the recommended Mepps.

So I used a Mini Whacker spinner bait (a small version of the bushwhacker). Large spinnerbaits have too-large a hook which often pierce thru the snakehead's eyes...gory sight! And George was using, of all things, a small plastic worm.

In an hour of casting, we landed ten murrel, topped by George's 3-kg (6-lb) 'monster'!! It sure must be the largest murrel landed on lastic worm, hehe! Well, all those murrel are still swimming in the Cauvery, for we lreleased them all.

I guess the trick is to get among the structure, somethign the Mepps cant do. George's method was to sink the worm to the bottom, then drag it slowly back.

Hope this helps!

><<:>


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:05 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:43 am
Posts: 708
Location: Bangalore, India.
Quote:
George's method was to sink the worm to the bottom, then drag it slowly back.


That's something I haven't tried as yet. Thanks for the tip.

Rustam


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:18 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:41 am
Posts: 36
Location: Hyderabad, India
Hi Guys,


Quote:
"George's method was to sink the worm to the bottom, then drag it slowly back."


I have tried something similar - used a single hook spinner (homemade #3) and fixed on a plastic worm so that the lure became weedless.

Cast in and reel in slowly - bumping bottom. Works well when the Murrel seem to go off the feed and do not take top water lures or spinners fished the usual way.

Rustam, the largest Murrel I have caught in Hyderabad is 5.5 Kgs. However, 6 kgs. is not unusual and I know a guy who has caught a 8 Kg and 12 Kg Murrel - but this was many years ago.

I have seen Subhan (the old WASI ghillie) land a 8 Kg. Murrel on the Cauvery.

Cheers,

Cauvery Cowboy


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:11 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:43 am
Posts: 708
Location: Bangalore, India.
Thanks, Marc. Any idea what the largest reported/recorded murrel in India has weighed and if possible the area and year?

I have seen pics of some pretty big murrel taken by our mutual friend in Kolhapur. Any idea what those would have weighed?

Rustam


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:34 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:20 pm
Posts: 768
Location: Bangalore/Andman Islands, India
The kind of tackle I'd use for murral would be a 6 to 7 foot, fast action spinning rod. A shimano 2500 to 4000 size reel with 10 to 15lb mono. I'd use a heavy mono leader.... say 20lb joined to my main line with a swivel. Spinners tied on. I've lost far too many fish and all my faith in snaps.

As for spinners, I make my own.... french blades 4 and 5, willow leaf blades 4, 5 and 6. The reason for using the larger spinners is that it does away with the smaller fish. But you'll still be amazed by the size (small) of fish that'll take a no.5 mepps.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:47 am 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:12 pm
Posts: 956
HI guys,
since most of you guys are experienced anglers and I do find mention of "home made spinners", can we have a bit of advice on your fav spinners and how to make them?
For indian conditions, and based on your experiences, why dont we have some insights ? :D
I'm kind of thinking, would Bops be comfortable with a NEWCOMER section?
thanks
Axx


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:10 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:37 pm
Posts: 1932
Location: Bangalore
Hi Asif, there's nothing wrong with asking newbie questions in any forum. I'm sure they'd be enough folks willing to help out. So fire away.

I would refer to my trusty old companion, The Complete Book of Tackle Making (Paperback) by C. Boyd Pfeiffer. It's just fab.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155821 ... e&n=283155


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:41 pm
Posts: 46
Location: Secunderabad, India
Hi Axx,
Try this link:
http://www.luremaking.com/catalogue/download_guide.htm

The usual disclaimers apply, and I do not have any business interest in this :)
rk


Top
   
 Post subject: Luremaking-Thanks RK
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:09 pm 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:12 pm
Posts: 956
Thanks RK,
got it in hard copy and another couple of laaate nights :D
thought I should type and thank you before I end up with various embedded objects in my fingers! :oops:
Actually I have some old surgical clips and clamps which will serve the purpose admirably well in making metal lures-wish it was one of those cold delhi winters :D
Best
Asif


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:41 pm
Posts: 46
Location: Secunderabad, India
Hi Asif,
I have some more text/documents related to fishing.
Is there a provision to upload the same to the forum?
If so, I will do it with the permission of the moderator.
Thanks & regards,
rk


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:31 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:37 pm
Posts: 1932
Location: Bangalore
Hi RK,

File upload to the forum is not possible. Go to http://www.rapidshare.de/ and upload your files there. Once you upload a file you will be given a link which you can then paste here on the forum.

Cheers
Bopanna


Top
   
 Post subject: thanks RK's
PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:38 pm 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:12 pm
Posts: 956
Many thanks for the ideas and support guys, much appreciated
Best
Axx


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:59 am 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:12 am
Posts: 124
Location: The Great State of Texas
Dear Cauvery Cowboy,
You say you've seen someone's 12 kg murrel. My question (s) are:

1. Is this documented by reliable sources. Reliable.
2. Was it a "hold-the-fish-up-to-the-camera lens-so-it'll-look-big" type (so popular these days)

I only ask because my learned associates and myself have been on the trail of murrel/maral/channa for eons, have specialised in this pursuit to ridiculous lengths, and have never ever even heard of anything remotely that big. I heard of a guy catching an 8kg, but repeated requests for pictorial evidence have produced the usual hackneyed excuses.

Sitting here, 12,000 miles away from Hyderabad, I'm wondering if this is another single malt-induced tale that the denizens of the Nizam's Dominions are so (in)famous for. Please clarify.

Respectfully,

Mysticmaral


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:40 am 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:52 pm
Posts: 106
Hmm, getting warm here :wink:

Just to add:

Channa species behave differently in different waters. In Malaysia, the biggest snakehead is the Toman (Giant Snakehead, Channa micropeltes), which can grow to 30 kg and beyond. I personally have seen one about 1.5 m. long. In Malaysia, this species is the numero uno predator. The current IGFA record for this species is 10-kg, but that's small compared to the sightings we have made.

During one of my trips to Cauvery, I actually spotted one C. micropeltes at Mysore Pool. I could swear that it was a toman. It was less than a kg. Funny, no one ever mentioned this fish, which probably means it's rare and small, in Cauvery River.

Second case in point: the striped or chevron snakehead (Channa striata) is usually small (1 to 2 kg.). The current IGFA record is 3.5 kg. , from a little tank pond. I landed one specimen, 6-kg, years ago, thinking that's the biggets ever. Until I came across a guy who landed a 12-kg monster!

What's my point? Well, it's possible for the murrel to attain big size given the right conditions. You'll never know!

But given the habit of us anglers, it needs proper photos and tape measures. Jimmy Houston once said:

The fastest growth rate of a bass occurs during the weekend, between the time it was landed on Saturday to the time the story comes forth in the office on Monday morning!

Kind regards,
><<:>


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:41 am
Posts: 36
Location: Hyderabad, India
My Dear Mysticmaral,

Maybe you should change your handle to Cynicmaral or even s###stirrermaral.

I am not going to take the bait - I know you too well for that.

The 12kg murrel was caught by Nizam Saab sometime in the '70's and if he says he caught one, he did - I trust him implicitly. Also, as I said I have seen a 8 Kg fish caught by Subhan near Gali Borai.

Cheers,

Cauvery_Cowboy


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:05 am 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:12 am
Posts: 124
Location: The Great State of Texas
Cauvery Cowboy,

Quote:
I am not going to take the bait


Since your fish don't, at least you might oblige......

I am not doubting that there are fish that size, and would dearly love to see one, let alone catch one, but hyperbole and amplification re channa has become rather tedious. You well know the punter (lawyer) who casually claims to habitually land 11kg+ maral, then there is your mentor and brother-in-arms "Add-A-Kilo" D'Silva.....I'm just trying to restore some credibility before this one-upmanship becomes silly.

I know that your 5.5kg maral was truthfully closer to 5.75kg. Most would have rounded it off to 6kg and some to 9kg since one particular picture depicts, very objectively, the biggest channa I have seen on pretty much any website. Your veracity is intact, but I believe in calling a spade a spade. Putting lipstick on a pig ain't going to make it kissable.

Keep on keepin' on.....

Mysticmaral (never cynical, always optimistic, as my "last cast" is always more than five!!)


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:29 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:20 pm
Posts: 768
Location: Bangalore/Andman Islands, India
Hi Mysticmaral,

About a year ago I saw a couple of pictures of a 9kilo murral that was caught at Bhavanisagar near Coimbatore. That was a seriuosly big fish and I heard that someone pulled out one close to 12kilos (no picture of that one but!!).
Off late we've been catching many fish in the 4 to 5kilo range but no one seems to have broken that barrier convincingly.
The largest murral I've seen caught at the cauvery pulled the scales down to 6.5kilos and was caught in a faster stretch of the river. Not exactly ideal Murral water.

Regards,
Mighty Marlin.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:29 am 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:12 am
Posts: 124
Location: The Great State of Texas
Hello MM,

You reinforce my point that we've all heard of big fish...any self-respecting ex-poacher ghillie will swear he's landed a 150lb masheer on handline. Those that have seen a 7kg+ maral are fortunate. There seems to be a threshold at 5-6 kg beyond which a maral is a real nugget.

A friend I fish with has offered a reward to the largest fishmonger in Hyderabad to call him if a 7kg+ maral shows up. Years later he's still waiting for the call. Another friend has driven hundreds of thousands of kms exclusively in search of maral water. As a result, we've bagged tons of maral but none beyond the threshold.

I've tried libations, superstition, promises of virgin sacrifice, and the best equipment on this or any other planet in the hope that the divinities will smile on me so I can get that beast. Well, there's always tomorrow.

Just for grins, I may post pictures of 5kg maral that look like world beaters because of the lying camera. Who says you can trust a picture?
Just ask the poor lads here who've invested in mail-order brides from the glorious ex-Soviet Union!!

Regards,

MysticM


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:11 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:02 pm
Posts: 2
Location: Mettupalyam
Hi guys,

Pics of 2 Murral caught on the Bhavani river. One i'm holding in my left hand weighed in at 12 kgs and the other at 11.5 kgs. They were weighed at mettupalyam a couple of hours after they were caught.
The pic quality is faded as it was taken about 20 yrs ago.

Image

Cheers,
Gordon


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:36 am 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:12 pm
Posts: 956
Gordon,
20 years later the congrats are still as sincere.
Am a neophyte marral convert and, this is very enlightening
Great pics on the Andaman trip too
Best
Axx


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:29 am 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:12 am
Posts: 124
Location: The Great State of Texas
Congratulations on these world record weights for Channa Marulius. In fact even the smaller of the two has substantially eclipsed the old world record.

I guess this teaches us Hyderabad maral guys a lesson: our Hyderabad area Channa may look as large but they're real lightweights as they weigh less than half of these fish.

Mm


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:14 am 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:26 am
Posts: 1479
Hi Gordon,
Hope you shot the guy who took those pix :lol:
Regards
Owen


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:02 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:20 pm
Posts: 768
Location: Bangalore/Andman Islands, India
Hey Mystic Maral,

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply.... The 6.5 kg threshold still has to be convincingly broken. I think that's the biggest they get. Over 12 years of running up and down various rivers and the biggest I've seen came from a dam outside Bangalore. We might see one in the 7 to 8kilo range from Forbes Pool if we're all very lucky.

Regards,

Akshay.


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:35 pm 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:12 am
Posts: 124
Location: The Great State of Texas
Quote:
The 6.5 kg threshold still has to be convincingly broken


Exactly my point. I have been fishing since Aurangazeb was in Third Standard and have yet to see concrete proof of a 7kg+. I think I finally saw the real deal a few weeks ago when my friend Pravin shot that 8kg beast. I've not seen larger.

Image

I would submit that the motley crew I fish with in India has over a 100 years of collective maral experience and we've gotten to the point where we can ascertain weights fairly accurately from pictures (with reference indices), and the Pravin maral is the real McCoy. Yes, yes, yes, we've heard stories from "reliable" sources of bigger fish....without evidence. What has to be realized is that perfectly nice and well-meaning gentlemen do get carried away and hyperbole sets in. The excitement of the moment is intoxicating and estimates tend to become rather generous. It's all part of fishing lore (long may it live) that sadly crumbles under the brutal light of reality. You're either six ft tall or you're not. The damn fish weighs 5kg or not. It is simply empirical. Call a spade a spade and everyone'll feel the better for it.
Mm


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:31 pm 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:12 pm
Posts: 956
HI All,
coming backl to the fav outfits for Marral, say again please?
Best
Axx


Top
   
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:23 am 
Offline
Fishaholic

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:12 am
Posts: 124
Location: The Great State of Texas
Quote:
coming backl to the fav outfits for Marral, say again please?


Since you ask what "fav outfits" for maral are I will give you mine since I fish with my fav outfit and haven't found better anywhere:

Rods:
Megabass Orochi Aaron Martens Special, 1 pc, 6'10" (IMO, quite simply the finest spinning rod made by mankind. Period.)
Megabass Orochi Jade Python, 2pc, 5'+2'= 7'
Megabass Super Full House, 2pc, 6'11"
Check http://www.megabassusa.com/

Reel: Shimano Stella 3000FB with custom offset handle (Desert Ironwood)

Line: Varivas, Bawo, Solaroam, P-Line Supreme. Usually 12lb.
Check www.plat.co.jp

Lures: My own stuff you've already seen pictures of.

Per request of forum chief I will be posting recommendations for maral outfits based on budget (starting at $50) of equipment I have tried over the years.

Mm


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 28 posts ] 

All times are UTC+05:30


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited