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 Post subject: Species Identification
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:39 pm 
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Hi Guy's,
High time we got around to doing this.
Here are my first two contibution
1. A mirgal that i caught on worm at Hiara
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2. A Rohu caught by my brother Robby at a lake in Jamshedpur. Bait use probably atta or moss.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:42 pm 
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Hey Owen,

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works [smilie=fixtit.gif]
but the fish u carrying is a rohu and not a mirgal..

Difference : :roll:

A rohu is more on red in colour and the mouth is round in shape.
The mrigal has a longer and slimmer body and the colouring is of a yellowish white. The mouth is in the shape of a clown-frown. It will also have "whiskers" (for want of a better word) on the side of the mouth.

No hard feelings :lol: ..... Seriously

:twisted:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:37 am 
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Owen Bosen wrote:
Hi Guy's,
High time we got around to doing this.
Here are my first two contibution


If we are going to have a species identification list, then we should put some real good pictures in there, perhaps someone have Bops select the pictures and have a complete seperate topic.

Your thread is good for members just to post informally to which all are welcome to make a post, perhaps Bops can then pick a picture of each fish from this thread and post it seperately to the "Identification" topic.

Just a thought.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:06 am 
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Sounds like a good idea!

Guys please mail your species identification pics to admin at indianangler.com and make sure that they are smaller than an MB each.

Bops


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:06 am 
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Hey guys,

the ones I have caught are not in the same league as seen in the pics on this thread, so please forgive if am not able to post any pics :oops: :oops:

However, have caught enough of them buggers to know which is which :twisted:

So, you can look forward to my "expertise" on species identification when it comes to coarse fishing.. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:31 am 
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Owen,

How many years did you say you have been fishing? 44?

:mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:44 am 
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[quote="Gavin Ridge Cooke"]Hey Owen,

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works [smilie=fixtit.gif]
but the fish u carrying is a rohu and not a mirgal..

You could be right Gavin, but you will find that the Rohu in the Kaveri come in various colours and hues. The fish that i am holding is much leaner than the usual Kaveri Rohu and the fins especially the tail fins much longer and forked than i have seen on the rohu. I did not notice any barbles on it so you may be right. But i was told by Basavaraj the guide with me, that it was a mirgal.
By the way that is Munswamy in the background.
(Where the hell is the donkey story mate???) :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:05 pm 
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YES, WHERE THE F$C& IS THAT DONKEY STORY????

:evil: [smilie=spank.gif]


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:13 pm 
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Sacre bleu !! Forgot about them stories :shock:

THERE ARE TWO STORIES LEFT TO BE SAID :evil: :evil: :evil:

RUSTY - NO DONATION TO WASI IF I DONT GET THE STORIES :evil: EVEN THOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE U RUN :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:18 pm 
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Hey owen, that guide's been pulling your dongle [smilie=gt_grinz-browwiggle.gif] [smilie=whistle.gif]

That aint no mrigal and I dont care about the shapes,sizes, colours and hues in the cauvery, but thats DEFINITELY a rohu, matey !!!

Bet my two sinkers on it !!! :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:59 pm 
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Hi Gavin,
Your version will be accepted after you go out and catch a sizeable rohu and mirgal and post it on this forum, showing us the differences. :roll:
Now no going to the fish market down your street and photographing one please. :lol:
My wife can make out the difference :mrgreen:
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Owen


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:04 pm 
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[smilie=damn.gif]

Dont worry !! Will get some pics on the forum asap [smilie=lil_red_devil.gif]


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You know what they say "Size does not matter"

So go out and catch one or two, size does not matter its how you get them..

By the way I am expecting some Smart Alec to come up with "no one's told me that" trust me I've got that reply...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:24 pm 
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Gavin Ridge Cooke wrote:
RUSTY - NO DONATION TO WASI IF I DONT GET THE STORIES :evil: EVEN THOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE U RUN :badgrin:


Ummm....now here's an idea. If you want a WASI story, you pay them for it. There's loads of them and we could even auction them. Highest bidder get's the story by e-mail.

Shall we start at 500 bucks for the donkey story? Gavin? :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:41 pm 
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Gavin don't go for that one dude!
Twinkle toes can cook them up with masala and all and you wont know where all your money's gone.
Regards :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:51 pm 
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Thanks Owen... [smilie=upyeah.gif]

I aint paying no monies for any stories, except if its from Paris and she personally tells them to me :wink:

Bloody hell Rusty !! Any excuse to get the green$ into WASI, aint it ?? :mrgreen:


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Ok Rustam, here's my 500, please send me the story, rest are bloody cheapskates..


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:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


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LOL :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:51 pm 
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Rusty that race is still on right. With or without the bucks for WASI ??? :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:19 pm 
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Owen Bosen wrote:
Rusty that race is still on right. With or without the bucks for WASI ??? :shock:


Sure is but it would be a shame if we couldn't collect a goodly amount. Especially since WASI has agreed to pay for your wreath and memorial service....

:mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:24 pm 
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Hey Bops..

Check the link below

http://members.tripod.com/MSAAPowai/fish.htm

By the way this link has been updated by Mr. Gordon Rodricks. Fortunately i have seen him listed on indianangler. Unfortunately not much from him on this site...


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Nothing form Gordon on this site Vishal..


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Hey Bobby.. the link does take you to a page that gives info on Catla, Mahaseer, Rahu etc. Heard that Gordan R used to be an active committee
member of MSAA and he had updated the site then.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:26 pm 
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As with the mahseer post, I'm quoting from research done in the name of the Indian Academy of Sciences.

First Mrigal and Rohu. They are very similar fish and to further add to the confusion, they will interbreed quite happily!

Mrigal (Cirrhinus mrigala) will reach a max 1m, has a single pair of barbels on a protruding top lip, has golden eyes, the top half is darker than the belly and it has orange-tipped fins
Rohu (Labeo rohita) is much the same, including a lateral line count of 40-45 and the only differences I can see are that they have brown or reddish fins and the barbels will be less conspicuous

To add to the confusion, there are two other types of fish common to the Kaveri, which are very similar.
Cirrhinus reba is the Reba Carp, very similar but growing to a smaller size and only having 35-38, larger scales on the lateral line.
Cirrhinus cirrhosus, the Cauvery White Carp is much the same as before, but has two pairs of barbels and a deeply forked tail.

I suspect the Mrigal at the top of the post may be a Cauvery White Carp


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:13 am 
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To add my four annas, there is also a distinguishing feature between the Rohu & Mirgal, in so much as the body of the mirgal is slightly tilted upwards towards the tail, while the rohu is pretty straight all through.
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But i have some confusion with the next picture, which is of a fish from the Kaveri. To me lit ooked like it was from the cirrhinus family, but Gavin says it is a Rohu. Tell me what you guys think.
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And the next is definately a rohu (the second one that we caught weekend before last). These guys are easy enough to identify.
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We need to start up a seperate thread on Identifying Indian fish species with positive identification methods to distinguish between them.
The problem in India, is that the same fish is called by different names in almost every state by locals, so you cannot be very sure of a positive id, unless more scientific methods like scale count etc are checked and matched,and anglers start keeping records of the same.
Regards
Owen


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Looks like the scale count dismisses the Reba Carp, I'm inclined to think it may be the White Carp. Did it have two pairs of barbules?
Can't tell from the picture.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:19 am 
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It had no Barbules Steve!
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Owen


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:31 am 
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Hi Guys,

Try the link below for identifications......

http://www.fishbase.org


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No barbules? I'll try the research again.


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"The barbules occur as a single inconspicuous pair concealed in a groove above the upper lip. Sometimes they are believed to be devoid of barbules."

A quote from my guide to identifying Indian Freshwater Fish.

It is, as others have pointed out form the start, the Common Indian Rohu, of which there are 31 different species!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:58 pm 
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Just like us Indians Steve .... 400 + species and if you add Owen and Gav thats 402


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:11 pm 
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Yup Stevie, 402 species here ... And we also got the "Missing Link".. heard the bugger is in Bandra somewhere. You can call him @ 9820287872.. Real social guy but spent over 15k each on two fish.. Like the saying goes " more money than .... "

now regarding the confusion with the first pic and the fish... THAT IS A ROHU !!!!! :evil: Bugger the species.. But thats a red-blooded, red coloured, very tasty ROHU !!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:32 pm 
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Missing Link Huh ?? .... looks like we gotta meet pal ... and the arowanas are 15K for the silver arowana and 75K for the RTG ( Red tailed Gold )


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You mad fluffer :shock: :shock: :shock:

If you got excess money, will PM you my account # and you can make some donations here...


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Life is all about choices .... and experiences , and friends ... ( ure not on that list so forget that account number)


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:cry: :cry: :cry:

Buggered !!!

Let me know when membership's open :roll:


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