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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:57 pm 
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The news from the Nayar and Ganges is BAD - worse than I could imagine in an area where i thought that the awareness and efforts by the Dehradun Club (Moni nath etc) had made some significant impact the last few years.

Two truckloads of mahseer caught by the Pauri DM - sandwallas netting the river in peak migration time. News received last week. More when I am able to ascertain the facts and find out whats going on.

The DM was personally involved in catching the sandwallas - I need to meet this guy and give him an award. These are the guys we need on our side.

Dynamiting continuing on the Nayar river ... more news when my gang returns next week.

I have a visual in my mind of 40 lbs and 50 lbs stacked high in a truck - dead - imagine now 2 trucks. Nightmare ...

Next year we will patrol the river - pre migration and post migration - volunteers ? here are the dates for pre migration - June end early July - Post monsoon August 10th onwards till mid September. Will get the team in place... local journalists. village pradhans. DM office. Forest guards on incentives. local crew. schools and colleges. design a village level communication campaign as well.

Regret the complacency ... should have done it this year but thought this area was reasonably protected ...

More later - off to Karnali / Nepal... big river big fish ...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:37 pm 
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Hi,

Absolutely shocking.

I offer to volunteer if a purposeful effort will be made next year. Can we have more of the facts?? Can you provide the name and email id of the DM of Pauri?? We need to build public opinion, so that the administration takes us seriously and supports our conservation effort. Educating the locals is equally important and this requires dedicated effort and time.

United in conservation.

Outrigorsandeep


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:41 am 
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Hi,

Sad man very sad. Three cheers to guy who busted them......


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:55 am 
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All the best man, you are doing a great service to the environment of your country. We have this problem in our area as well but their is a visible decline in the use of explosives since 9/11 because pouchers carrying the explosives can be held on the charges of terrorism and no one likes to get into that mess.
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Sualeh


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:30 am 
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Seriously shocking…. :shock:

Here we all are trying our level best to protect on one of the magnificent species our planet has ever seen & is the pride of Our country.

& its horrifying to hear about these kind of incidents, that too happening in that large scale without the local people or the authority knowledge.

If possible get some Pic’s of such Incidents so that we can approach the higher law authorities & press about it,

& need to educate the Entire country about these Natural & National treasure that our waters contain.

There is a immediate Need to enforce a law of No netting in waters where Mahseers breed or use to Migrate during the Breeding.

& Also patrolling these waters for poachers in these times of the year.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:53 am 
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the golden mahseer has been notified as the official fish of uttranchal, arunachal and himachal (see article in HT last week). hopefully some funds will be allocated to the fish now.

we will be designing a communication campaign for the village schools in the area of the river valley and start at the school level.

during migration we will use the school kids to monitor the activities in the river in the vicinity of their villages. if there are scout or NCC activities, we will try and engage through them as well.

we will be meeting the DM in Pauri some time in November and will then see how we can engage our efforts and use the state machinery in an effective manner.

any people know anybody in uttranchal who can be helpful - send in their details.

retired forest officials and retired armed force personal from the garhwal rifles (whose regimental centre is in Lensdowne) will be the key people in the project on the ground level. again it will take some networking at the gound level but we have some established links with some old warhorses who are tree huggers.

funds ? the lord shall provide when we come to it ... rest is kriya yoga.

all this later - Karnali ... back in a couple of weeks.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:52 am 
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It would be best to have that stretch declared as restricted zone.This is within the powers of the DM. Last Yr and the year before that these fellows had put phandis attached on to a steel wire going right across the river.
Hamdhingra


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:33 pm 
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What's a phandi?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:08 pm 
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A loop that tightens around the gills


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:25 am 
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like the clutch wire snare on land for rabbits etc -I've seen these on game trails. Am surprised to know that it works in water too...


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:12 pm 
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The biggest problem with phandis is that they eat up lures. Most are made from 200lbs line or more so oyu just can't break them off. I have lost zillions to them on the Ganga and Yamuna.

If you see one pull it all out from the water and them put the line in your camp fire. Don't cut it up or just throw it away. Some one will find a way to make it work again.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:31 am 
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After a long time we have seen an officer taking some interest in Mahseer conservations. Lets not loose the opportunity and write to the DM Pauri to do something permanent about the problem on Mahseer butchering on the Nayyar during moonsoons. I will the the contact details and post them in the evening.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:14 am 
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Needs more of a national policy - dont be surprised if within a few years U hear that they intend to put a dam across the Nayyar - and that too w/o a fish ladder
WW...Hamdhingra


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:44 am 
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A policy could follow later. We could start with little things and progress.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:52 pm 
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We can all talk - but when it comes to execution there will be few or very few there.Maybe none !
If we salary up the guards - then also we loose for -the guards are dependent on the locals for social interaction and administration.And it is the riverside dwellers who do it all.
The best is an organisation as exists in Rajaji - you cant buy your way through - You know the kingpin fishing spots on the Song are all gone because of the Guards there. No way they will let you fish. Thats about the best known to me.
Good Wishes...hamdhingra


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:32 pm 
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News - Sir khud HP . 80 Kg of fish recovered from the blasters. - They were challaned. No further details available right now
Hamdhingra


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:04 pm 
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Still no details for the Pauri DM?

Sounds like some guys up there are getting active, good on you.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:36 pm 
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Location: Ashok Vashisht, Panchkula, Haryana, India.
Members can call the District Magistrate of Pauri Gharwal, Mr.Gopal Krishna Dwivedi [IAS] at - 222563. The area code is either 01368 or 01346. I could not get the required data as the website is not professionally designed.


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 Post subject: more netting stories
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:31 pm 
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back from the karnali ...

so this is how it happens on the ganges -

right up the rainfed streams where the water is knee to waist high and the stream is maximum 15-20 ft wide villagers take up position as teams with their nets across the stream and a person every 4ft of the net. as nightfalls and the big fish move down they bash against the nets. as soon as the fish bash the nets the closest person is meant to catch the fish by putting his hands through the gills and holding the fish-obviously big fish as only their gills are big enough for hands to go through.

there is a kind of festival held in these areas where a number of villages gather and take positions on different areas along the stream sometime in august - most likely a full moon night.

this is a social event of sorts - a sport - a community fishing trip.

how much is caught and killed is to be found out ... will update.

another story from the ganges - there lived a man in these villages who in the old days would live only on mahseer fish oil - caught a big fish upstream every year and used the oil.

there were so many big fish that villagers reported that the humps were seen above the water levels where the stream depths were 1-2 ft.

the points that these stories bring out are the following :-

* leasing sections of river are futile to the conservation efforts of migratory fish.

* protection of the breeding streams is as critical as maintaining poaching vigil over the main rivers.

* ensuring protection of feedstock like asla and chilwa is critical for the survival of the mahseer. these are cold water breeders and the tehri dam just went and destroyed half the feedstock of the ganges mahseer.

* complete watersheds will need to be declared protected to give the fish a chance.

As the tiger argument has been all along, protect the tiger and you protect the eco system, in the same way protect the mahseer and you protect the complete river system.


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 Post subject: Re: more netting stories
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:53 am 
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bagiganga wrote:
As the tiger argument has been all along, protect the tiger and you protect the eco system, in the same way protect the mahseer and you protect the complete river system.


HEAR HEAR....


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