INDIANANGLER

I'm sorry if this has been posted before.
I've had a good look round and couldn't find what I wanted.
Here goes!

I have an ultra light 6ft 2pce spin rod.
It will cast 0.8~4grms 2~6lb line.
I've had wild river carp to 8lb on it.

I've also got a 9ft 3pce 15~35grm spin rod made by Greys.
I've had sea bass and pike on it back home in England
and 15lb Japanese carp.

I want another rod.
I want to go to Asia on holiday with my lass.
Although I'm not sure where yet.
Maybe India!!!

I want to catch a big fresh or saltwater fish.
This is most important.
Fresh and saltwater.
I only have money for one more big tackle splurge.
It has to be a compromise rod, a jack of all trades.

The tackle I already use is what I call multi purpose.
The little trout rod can also handle bigger fish.
But it would be very good for getting bait with and fun to use at the same
time.
The 9ft rod will handle decent fish and is a pleasure to lure fish with all day. I can also float fish and very light leger with it.

But I want a heavy hitter so to speak.
Throwing big surface poppers and lures and fishing big baits.

I'm torn between getting something like an 11ft 2~4oz 3pce rod.
Or.
An uptide style rod.

Although I haven't started looking properly there are plenty of
long 3pce lure rods to choose from in Japan.
Great for long range lure fishing off a beach, heavy float fishing
and close in legering small live/dead baits.
They cost a bit though.

The uptide rod I had my eye on is an Abu Garcia Suveran
uptide/boat combo.

It's a 3pce rod.
It's a 7ft 6in rod (at 2pce) or if you add the 3rd piece it becomes 9ft 6in.
It comes in a hard tube.

I could hurl a large lure (maybe not all day!!!),
live/dead bait using a heavier weight and
fish from a boat using the shorter length, cast lures, troll etc...

Casting weight is 4~8oz.
At 7ft 6in it's supposed to be a 30lb boat rod.
The reviews I read said it was more like a 12lb boat rod
because of the soft uptide tip it's got.
It will take a multiplier and fixed spool.
Which is good for me because I like both.
It costs about £90 in the UK.
My Father could buy and ship it out to me.

Well what do you think?
Any other ideas?
I think the 2 rods I've got plus a heavy hitter would allow me to fish just about anywhere, stream, river, lake, beach, rock, pier and boat.

Sorry for the rambling post.

Thanks chaps,
best regards,
YB.

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I don't have a clue.

Save your money!

Buy this instead...

I've got a 12ft 3pce beach rod that comes with 2 tips.
It's a Penn Seatreck. It'll cast 2~5oz.
A good rod, good for beach and rock fishing.
A bit heavy for sustained lure fishing.
I'm not built like a body builder, 5'9'' 12 stone (mostly beer gut!)
I could get my sister to send it out to me though.

I also have a nice 7ft light jerk bait rod.
40~100grms. 50~80lb braid line rated.
My father could send that to me.

Anyway, I'm sorry to bore you all.

Yorkshire Boy aka John

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Hi Yorkshire Boy,

I would pick the Abu Garcia Suveran uptide/boat combo rod.


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Makarand

Hi Yorkshire Boy,

I'd recommend the Uptide/boat combo, too.
More so because of the soft tip because if you're gunning for something like mahseer, you'll need it when a good one takes and more so for the headshakes.... it'll definitely save you a few hook pulls and line breaks.

Cheers

Vedan

You need to be a bit more specific about what you want to do with the rod. there are a lot of steps up from a light 35g spinning rod ranging from rods of roughly twice the power which will be great for lure fishing for barramundi and mahseer right up to rods like the uptiders that are rated to cast something like 10oz.

Is it importent that it be a travel rod ?

What are your price limits ?

Are you a lure nut or do you like a bit of bait fishing ?

Thanks for posting guys.

I am a bit of a lure nut to be honest.
I find it very sporting.
And I like the freedom and mobility it brings.
Plus the amount of fish that will hit lures is very big.
Hence having ultra light and medium spinning gear.
It covers a lot of options.

However I also want to be able to throw a live/dead bait and a couple of ounces of lead. Not to ultra long distance, close in usually.
Maybe float fishing as well.

I know from experience these methods should never be over looked.

I would like to catch;very big carp, tarpon, mahseer, taiman, barramundi, small tuna and barracuda with this rod!!!!
That would be nice wouldn't it!!!
I wish!

Both my other rods break down to 3ft.
I want this "new" rod to be less than 5ft long section, pref 4ft.

I'll check out the shops in Japan.
And I'll let you know how I get on.

Thanks to all,
best wishes, YB.

P.S. Do any of you lot float fish baits on those Indian rivers?
I would imagine trotting a bait through those fast swims would work.

Ah, lures. I do a bit of that now and then.

Personally, I'd stick to spinning gear for travelling rather than a baitcaster because a spinning reel will deal with a lot more mud, sand and grime than a baitcaster and still keep on fishing.

For near bomb proof construction, the ability to fight big fish and the option of throwing lures upto 3 oz (it's stronger than it's official rating) have a look at the heavier rod in the Tidemaster serise from StCroix

I've landed lure caught Mahseer of 77lb on this rod as well as a 30 and a 47. I stick an 8000 size shimano on mine wich gives me the line capacity to deal with beasties in saltwater if I need to.

For slightly lighter fishing, I have the heavier of the Ocean Master travel spinning rods from Bass Pro. I'd post you a link but the site seems to be down at the moment. These rods are also rated to cast 2oz but are rather lighter than the St Croix and will throw lures in the 3/4oz - 1 1/2oz range all day without you getting to tired. They also have a nice tippy action that makes them a pleasure to fish with. This rod has landed me mahseer to the mid 20's and 20lb Indian barramundi.
I tend to partner this rod with a 4000 size shimaln reel and 14lb fireline and it's so good that despite being a three piece, it's now my rod of choice when river pike fishing with lures.
There are la couple of similar rods to the Ocean master on the market. Rods from Quantum and
one from Tsunami that's only sold through e-bay that gets good write-ups un the striper forums.

At the moment, I also have a travel uptider that was built by Fladen. It's OK for bait fishing but at 10 feet and being capable of casting 10oz, it's a heavy old beast for chucking lures with. I'm activly looking for a replacement that'll cast maybe 5oz and be between seven feet and eight and a half feet long. There is a rod in the surf rods section of the BassPro site (again I can't post a link at the moment) that looks OK, but the price is a bit steep.

Good hunting, hope this helps.

Hi YB,
I had read the post, but spinning's not really my thing. Especially after watching the master at work - Ken L.

Bait fishing on the Kaveri is something I've done a lot of and caught loads of 1-5lb mahseer on pellets on the waggler. You still need beefy gear, however, as a 5lb mahseer will shred 6lb maxima and straighten strong hooks in the blink of an eye.

Plenty of smaller fish to be caught on bread on the float with sensible tackle as well. Get out there and give it a go.

I have a couple of Masterline tele rods (9' spin, 12' carp) in storage in Karnataka, I use the spinning rod for float fishing as it is well matched to 6lb line.
Also have a pair of Wychwood 5 piece catfish rods that I use for proper ragi fishing. They are 10', with a 4.5lb TC, but have a really nice action rather than being pokers.
Redfin bought a 13' tele float rod with him this year, it looked great for float fishing for the smaller fish, but again was lacking once the 5lb+ mahseer got in on the act!

Thanks chaps, very informative.

I was thinking a longer 11ft rod would give greater casting distance for saltwater lure fishing and big rivers.

Something like an 3pce, 11ft, 3.5lb tc carp rod but with a bit more power in the butt.

Maybe I should save up and get one made for me?

In the mean time I'll just carry on saving my Yen.

Best regards, YB.

Picture yourself casting a big heavy lure on a big long heavy rod every 90 seconds for 5 hours. Think about how your arms, neck and shoulders will feel afterwards.
Think about trying to impart action into a lure with a rod that's bouncing arround and simply refusing to transmit your twitches to the lure.
Picture yourself fishing overgrown banks and unable to cast because you rod keeps hitting the trees.
See yourself in a tiny boat or coracle unable to move the butt section of an 11 foot rod arround your body whilst you're trying to play he fish of a lifetime.
95% of the time, a long lure rod is simply put, a bad lure rod.
A lure rod is a specialist tool and a carp rod simply wont cut the mustard.
There are times when I might go upto 9 feet but never more and seven feet is the best compromise for a 3 piece rod that'll strap to my backpack and where weight is an issue either when carrying it or when stowing it in a plane.

Cheers Ken.

I'm all mixed up!

I know what short lure rods are like to use.
I have a couple back home.
Shimano Diaflash 7ft 5~20grams.
Total Fishing Gear, The Brawler, 7ft 40~100grms multiplier rod. Shimano Corvalus to match it, 80lb braid, heavy braid I know but no back lashes on the reel.

My 9ft Greys rod is great for UK sea bass, light to cast all day, pokey enough to deal with the bass I've caught.

I've been on an American fishing site called stripersonline.com (striped bass, not strippers!)
I read some articles by a bloke who goes by the name of "High Plains Drifter", he's well into his 50's and totally fit.(would put me to shame!)
He's been fishing in remote beaches in Mexico for Rooster Fish and snappers.
He throws surface poppers 150 meters.
You can watch him on Youtube, both casting and fishing.
Type in Rooster Fish, or long distance lure fishing.
He's been a bit of an inspiration for me.
He recommends long rods for this style of fishing.
At least 11~13ft.
He uses a fixed spool reel and 30lb braid mainline and heavy 4 foot mono leader.
He uses a "Breakaway Cannon" casting device.
They cost about £10 in the UK.

I know what your saying and I totally agree with you about shorter rods for all day easy fishing, using in a boat and "tight swims".
But they won't hurl a lure that far, will they?

I know it's going to have to be a compromise for me!

I read a thing about the Japanese fishing for Dolphin Fish and Sailfish off the rocks.
They throw the same big distances.
Some of these guys use English custom carp rods!
And 4oz poppers!

The mind boggles!!!!!

Thanks for your reply, it's only added to my total confusion!!!!!!!!!
I don't know what to think.
I shall go away and chew the fat.

All the best to everyone, YB.

If distance is your only concern, then buy all means go with a longer rod, but a 7 footer will trow the right lure 50 or 60m (maybe 70 with the wind behind you) with no problems and that's far enough for anywhere on the Cauvery, far enough for barramundi and mangrove jack fishing in the estuaries and far enough for lure fishing off the rocks.
A bit of extra length is helpful if you're using the rod for bait fishing because it keeps the line up and out of the breaking waves.
As you say, everything is a compromise when it comes to travel rods but longer very definatly doesn't mean better.

BTW. I'd be very suprised if anyone is reaching 100 - 150m with a plug. With a lead slug or a Dexter/Raider type spoon maybe, but the density and arodynamics of a plug just don't lend themselves to those sorts of distances.

Hi YB,


I have read all of HPD's exploits and was as confused as you were. So I did the best thing possible. I bought myself a 7 foot three piece rod for travel (12-40lb line rating) and a 11 foot Penn Spinfisher surf spinning rod for when I need that extra distance.

I don't blame Ken for sticking to just a 7 foot rod for everything he's built like an OX you see....and he's a martial arts instructor to boot

Bops

Well thanks from the bottom of my heart guys!

I'm going to look in the Japanese shops for a 3pce 9ft rod.

1~3 0z or 2~4oz rod.

I'll put 40,000 yen away for the rod!
That's a lot of money.
Getting on for £200.

The lure rods out here are light years ahead of the stuff in the UK.
My ultra light rod cost 10,500 yen.
You couldn't buy that type of rod for that money back home.

If you lads want fishing gear from Japan maybe I could buy it for you and send it to you as a present if you sent me the cash.

I'm a stand up guy, I worked in the UK Security Industry, I'm a teacher now, I'm not a criminal, I won't run off with your money!

Reels, rods, lures or line.
Non profit, maybe I could help fellow anglers.

Including you Bops!

All the best, YB.

Yeh but I filed the horns off and I'm trying to cut down on the number of cardboard boxes that I eat in a day.

A 9 foot three piece lure rod that casts 2-4oz. Now you've got my attention.
It might be a bit longer than my ideal but I have been really struggling to find a travel rod that will throw that sort of lure weight (poppers for GT's and the like) and strap onto a backpack. The only thing that I've seen that came close was an Albright rod that came in at something like US $290 + postage + punative UK taxes.

What's the brand of rod and have you got a link to a webpage with it on ?

The 1 - 3oz version of the same rod sounds like it's the rod you've been looking for.

What martial arts are you into Ken?

I worked as a Behaviour Support Worker for disturbed and abused children after working as a security guard.

I had to do control and restraint courses as part of this.
I was doing sometimes 6 restraints a day.
Very stressful and desturbing.
Only £60 a day before tax.
If a kid got hurt in a restraint I would've been hung out to dry by the school and the agency.
Not good.

Loads of K1 and Pride on the telly over here.
Even at 8pm.

Incredible for us UK guys to see it.
Boxing is on late at night back home!!!!

4.20am over here now.
Got to go to bed.

YB.

I started off with Aikido. Did that to black belt level and started ju-jitsu which also went to blackbelt. I've also done some Muay Thai, a bit of Wing Chun and Choy Lay Fut and others and spent 4 years regularly cross training with the local unviversity Ninjustu club. Whilst there, I used to try to find the time to spar/grapple with a Japanise lad who was 4th dan Judo and 5th dan in Sambo (Usually called Sombo in the UK because of the whole PC thing). I was astonished at some of the things that I was getting to work on him as I transfered accedemic dojo skills into live fighting. We both learned a lot and had a great laugh.

One of my Ju-Jitsu teachers was a guy called Hodgson who was chief prison officer at Strangeways. Lots of restraint and control techniques got taught allong with the nasty little digs that make them work.
Not that I envy you your job. I used to train with a murder squad copper who restrained a suspect witth a swan neck wrist lock. (this is suposedly just about the safest lock to use if you don't want to injure the bad guy) and he still managed to end up with the guy's broken radius and ulna sticking out the front of his arm.
Not the sort of thing that would go down well if you're restraining kids.


BTW. No Pride but lots of UFC and Cage Rage is available in the UK on satalite. It's kinda cool to have the lads in the club talk about seing something and then show them how it's done, three or four variations and then a counter. They look at you in a very strange way when you do that.

Sorry to mislead you Ken.

These are the rods I'm looking for!

I haven't tracked them down yet.

In the Japanese fishing magazines they have plenty of 3pce sea bass rods.
Only up to 45grm casting weight.

I've seen some amazing heavy lure rods 9ft and 10ft in the magazines.
80grm or 120grm casting weight.
I think these are 2pce.

I'm going to check what's available and I'll get back to you.

YB.

p.s. I'm glad I left the BSW work.
Getting spat on, verbally abused etc...
Yet we always kept our cool with the kids.
Never swore at them, never used pain in the restraint.
It took a lot out of me.
Sometimes I just wanted to give them a slap and then choke them!
That's what they probably got at home though, so even if I made only a little bit of a difference to their lives it was worth it.

Ken, just been looking around a Japanese web fishing shop.
www.plat.co.jp
Couldn't find the type I was after.

I saw this though.

ST-AK126 Long Casting Rod Daiwa

12'6'' 3 section.
Weight 235grms.
Lure 10~60grm.
line 10~30lb

37,000 yen.

A very light strong rod!

I'll keep looking.

These were the best I've found so far in terms of a rod with more grunt than my St Croix. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ ... hasJS=true

The butt still looks a bit long and there's that price.

If I can't find a rod with a shorter butt, I might be tempted by the Wynchwood Catfish rod that Steve recomended. When he had them set up, they did look like quality kit and if I've got to go long with a long butt, I might as well pay a third of the price for the rod.
They also do a lure rod that would fit your 1 - 3oz category.
Here they are:
Lure rod http://www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/w ... gtlure.htm
Catfish rod http://www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/w ... pecial.htm

No idea about the e-seller, I just wanted a link so you could see the rods.

This one looks like a good deal,

Tsunami Trophy Series 8'-6" 3-Piece Surf Spinning Rod

Model #TSTSS-863H

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tsunami-8-6-3-piece ... dZViewItem

That's cheap!!!

I'm a bit of a tackle tart I'm afraid

£30.

I like posh stuff, not that posh stuff is better.
It just feels better.

My Greys rod was £135.
It feels quality.
You can just feel it.
I can't explain it properly.

That rod looks the business though.

If it was 3x the price I would buy it. Lol


Thanks mate.
Getting on for 3am here.
I should go to bed, although I'll probably stay up for a while longer.

YB.

p.s. What did you think of the long casting rod?
Light and very powerful.

A 3pce rod is a good compromise IMHO.

They start to get tip heavy after that.

Shame Greys discontinued the GRX 9ft 3pce 30~100grm rod.
By all accounts it was a beast of a rod.

Have you been to the "Friendlyfisherman"
Andy Lush.
He does a 10ft 3pce catfish rod 4~10 oz.
About £90.

He's had catfish to 140lb on it plus big sturgeon.
Not a lure rod, I guess.

Thanks all, YB.
Ken, I noticed you're on WSF. I sent you a hello on one of the threads.

Arh, you found a forum where I got my kissin lips all warmed up and ready for a lady Mahseer in the avatar.
She was hot for it too, but the teasing little minx kicked her tail and sped off after a little peck on the cheek..........

Bops/Ken-
Why are all martial arts instructors built like oxen-I have one at home-my brother!
YB-
I have this Browning tele 9 ft 100g lure wt surf rod
Looked like its been thru the wars.
Can punch me a 30g lure 70-80m
Used it for every thing from 200g fishies -10lb turtles
usually mate it with a Chinese JF650 20lb reel, sometimes a shimano baitrunner 8800
Have a wychwood big pit rogue for it, havent the energy to load up near on 200m of 20 lb line on it, I'm doing just fine with the 2 reels above
Just my 2 bits...

"Why are all martial arts instructors built like oxen"

When you eat like a horse, drink like a fish and entertain yourself by throwing bodies about and then wrestling people to submission, it goes with the teratory.

Thanks eljefe.

What a lovely pair of bits you've got!
Very interesting.





I'm about 3 stone heavier than Bruce Lee.
He would still have kicked my face in!

How tall are you Ken? What do you weigh?

Has a small light man ever given you a hard time in the dojo?

I've seen a 5'7'' Japanese guy bust up some really big guys 6'6''.
When they punched and kicked him he flew across the ring.
They got cocky and went to the floor with him and he twisted arms, necks etc..
They just tapped out.
The look of stunned disbelief on their faces was priceless!
Amazing and very funny to watch.

I'm about 5'11" and 18st. Gettin' on these days so it's hard to keep the lard off.
When I used to train with Katsuhara at the Ninjutsu club, I would probably have been 16st. He was about 5'7 and maybe 3st lighter than me but they don't just hand out those higher dan grades. We started of with about a 50:50 win ratio but by the time he went back to Japan, he was probably beating me 70% of the time because once he got through my additional size and learned what strategies I'd use to counter his speed, he could really put his skills to use - and some of those Sambo leg locks come as a real suprise !

Good God Ken you're not an ox, you're a rhino!

2inches taller than me 51/2-6 stone heavier!

I've got skinny arms and legs.

I'm not a fighter I'm a lover!

I look quite big because I have a deep, thick chest.
20yrs of playing the trumpet.
I had a 4ltr lung capacity at 14yrs old, I think the average man has that.
I wish I knew how much it was when I was in my early twenties.
I practiced 9 hours day.

It always suprised me that the thugs who had a go at me always tried for a knock out.

Open hand slaps with the heel of my hand, lot's of effing and cursing, hooting like a baboon and drooling from the mouth while going for their eyes usually sent them packing.

I would of loved to spend as many years as I did on the trumpet to learn proper self defence.

I can't speak Japanese.
And I would get dragged and kicked all over the place by a kid if I tried to learn over here.

The only thing I've got is I've actually used some techniques practically.
Although it wasn't used to hurt.

I'll keep you posted on the rods by the way...


YB.

Hi,

Check out Ugly Stik model BWC110010, at Cabelas

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ ... hasJS=true

It's a good deal for U.S $ 70.00


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Makarand

Thanks flyfisher.

Ugly Sticks sure are strong and cheap.

In the smaller sizes 2pce would be good for me, 3pce in the larger.
However they are 1pce. Boo hoo!

Ugly sticks are a bit heavy to hold, but they are bloody strong rods!!!
Thank you for your input, but I need something more portable.

Where I work the Japanese English teacher said that her dad wants to take me fishing in September or October. Off the rocks and sea defences.

I want to get this mysterious "heavy rod" by then.
I can take 3 rods with me then.
My ultra light 6ft rod for 2grm jigs. I'll get a bit of bait hopefully by fishing under my feet..
My 9ft 15~35 grm rod to chuck plugs about with.
And the "heavy spin rod" to float fish a big bait or throw a big lure or chuck some feathers etc..

Thank you again, YB.

Hi,

Check out Albright rods, on sale at

http://www.sealevelflyfish.com/teaser_r ... ackle.html


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Makarand

Those prices are a bit keen. My only problem is that despite looking at several websites, I can't confirm whether the surfcasting rods are ringged for fixed spool or multi.

Hi Ken,

Should be easy

ESC104 - casting rod

ESS104 - spinning rod


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Makarand

Spinning and casting are obvious but I'm not so sure about surfcasting in this context, so I just did the obvious thing and e-mailed Albright.....