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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:16 pm 
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Hi all fellow Anglers,


I've never used a rubber shad , are they usefull for spinnig. Pls give some tips about rubber shads like in what conditions to be used.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:43 am 
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Hello again Mario,

Rubber shads are normally called " plastics" in Australia and have taken
the Australian fishing scene by storm.

There are soft plastics for all types of fishing ( spinning and also
for trolling, believe it or not!).

In the case of a lot of anglers(myself included), plastics have completely
replaced the use of bait and apparently,in some cases, it outperforms
natural bait as some plastics are impregnated with a fish attracting scent and have a natural feel to them,especially compared to hard bodied lures.

Just about every type of fish has been caught on plastics.

You will need to know the techniques and equipment needed (braided
line for feel, type of jig heads, their weights and hook sizes etc.) but
don't be put off by all this- just go ahead and try it and modify things
as time passes.

I believe this is an underutilised technique in India and can only
get better known with time.

Regards,
Kingfish


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:33 pm 
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Contrary to the warning on the packs,"Don't overfish...don't take more fish than your limit," I haven't caught anything with plastics. Maybe they aren't right for lakes and rivers, I haven't done more than casting and spinning with the same. Maybe trolling would work.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:57 pm 
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well i also did not believe in swim shads but i feel the issue is with our retrieve speeds. this was the only lure i got a hit on. the issue is how to do a slow crank to let the lure work its magic.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:59 am 
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Dev and Ace-doc,

I fully sympathise with your feeelings with regard to not being able to catch anything with the swim shads.

I do not know the type/brand/size that you are using so I am unable to comment on what procedure to follow.

I initially had no luck with the soft plastics until I learnt (from watching a fellow angler) that these work whilst on the drop i.e. fish attack them while
the lure is sinking because this causes the tail to flutter.

It is essential that as soon as you have cast the lure, you close the bail and
turn the reel handle to take up the slack.You will then have a tight line that
should be lying on the surface of the water while the lure is sinking.

This line should be braid and of a high visibility colour (yellow or pink)
so that it will show any deviation from the norm.

If you see the line move sideways of its own accord, strike! it means that
a fish has had a go at the plastic whilst it is sinking.

A slow retrieve can be done by letting the plastic hit the bottom (you will know when this happens when the line stops sinking) and then lifting the
rod tip and reeling in the slack.

This hops the lure along the bottom and catches the attention of any
nearby fish.

I have had the maximum success simply casting to rocks holding fish
(queenfish,trevally, coral trout) and making a normal retrieve near the surface with a prerigged soft plastic i.e. the weight and hook are inbuilt.

I may not be allowed to mention the soft plastic used( due to forum rules?) but it was also a shad type lure (with a paddle tail).

I know this sounds long winded and complicated but it isn't in practice.

So pls persevere and keep us posted. I will try to post some pictures of my softplastic catches later.

Regards,
Kingfish


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:15 am 
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i think most of us use storm swim shads and i also think that mentioning lure brands is not taboo. trying to commercially sell lures or promote vendors is.
i am using braid in hi vis red. so shall give your method a go.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:35 am 
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Thanks for the info Kingfish.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:45 pm 
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Ace-doc,

It is imperative that there should be a leader of about 1 meter length at the end of your high visibility braid.

We normally use flurocarbon as the leader since it is relatively invisible to the fish in the water.

However, if you cannot get flurocarbon then use a light leader of clear
repeat
clear monofilament line.

Good luck!

Kingfish

P.S. The softplastics we use are Squidgy Slick Rigs (Aussie brand) and
we have also had success with Gulp watermelon & pearl 3 inch minnows.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:55 pm 
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Groote Eylandt, these are the type of rock structures that held fish to which we cast our soft plastic lures.

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Queenfish caught on a Squidgy Slick Rig, (drop-bear pattern) by me.

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Queenfish again - reel was a 3500 Certate HD and rod was Lucanas Jig Rod.

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Unknown reef fish on soft plastic.

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My son gets into the act!

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My son again, first time he was soft plastic fishing!!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:22 pm 
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Great catch King fish Congrats on your catch.Its an amazing location. Keep on loading. [smilie=coolup.gif] [smilie=coolup.gif] [smilie=coolup.gif]

And once again Thanks for your earlier tips its been very helpfull.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:48 pm 
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i use a floro leader of around 2ft length, 30 lb strength. this sunday i plan to hit the spot again but shall be using halco poltergiests more than swim shads.
lets see.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:30 am 
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Ace-doc,

You have all the right gear.

By the way, what species will you be targeting?

kingfish


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:51 am 
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kingfish , i shall be targeting mangrove jacks, groupers and barra. any one of these will do just fine. i also plan to try baiting a line with prawns / mullet to see what else frequents the area.
btw i just ordered a ugly stick tiger bigwater 7 ft rod. now to save the green for a saltist or conquer size 5 reel.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:36 pm 
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Great pics kingfish. Thanks for sharing them.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:46 pm 
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Hi,

Kingfish the lures I had were Jarvis walker :-). Thank you so much for the pics, I think I have the hooks set wrong and didn't know the technique. If it is possible could you attach a close up of how the hook is to be attached. Thanks for all your help.

Dev


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:55 pm 
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Ace-doc,

My mouth is watering at the species you are going after!!

The Saltist has mixed reviews but will be a solid reel - am not familiar with
the conqueror.

Do let us know how you fare in your quest.

Regards,
Kingfish


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:02 pm 
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Dev,

Will shortly post pictures on how the rigged softplastic looks - it is
not too difficult.

I presume the Jarvis Walker plastics were not already rigged.

Regards,

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:19 pm 
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kingfish wrote:
Dev,

Will shortly post pictures on how the rigged softplastic looks - it is
not too difficult.

I presume the Jarvis Walker plastics were not already rigged.

Regards,

Kingfish


Hi Kingfish,

Yes the Jarvis Walker ones aren't rigged. I would be grateful to really learn how to use these.

Regards,

Dev


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:18 pm 
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Dev,

I personally think that the best thing would be for you to access Youtube
and look at the section "How to rig plastic lures".This not only shows how to rig the lures but also how these are "worked".

I am not aware of the type of lures you have and youtube seems to cover them all.

If I can be of any further help, pls let me know.

Kind regards,

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:41 pm 
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Dev,

I managed to persuade my son to help me with getting the required pictures up of the soft plastics.

The top four plastic lures are pre-rigged (by the factory) and the bottom three are the ones that have been rigged by me.

Please note that invariably the hook point is on top because this helps to keep the lure relatively snag-free when it is swimming near the bottom which may be rocky or have other snags.

You will notice that one of the lures has a treble hook at the bottom and this is prone to snagging.

Trust this is of help to you and good luck for the future.

Kind regards

Kingfish

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:51 pm 
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A very interesting topic.

First of all, Thanks you Kingfish for taking out time to elaborate the subject. Somehow, the choice of a lure is angler specific and every angler has his preferred lure. I feel that the soft plastics are the least exploited lures in India and have a huge potential in our waters, salt and fresh both. Once we master the technique, the soft plastic lures are very effective (I know Santy will not agree with me.. :lol: :lol: )

I will rate them one of the best lures but at the same time warn that many lures in the market are to catch Anglers, rather than the fish so be sure what you are using. Any thing which resembles the natural bait is the best bet.

Last but not the least, one should have faith and conviction in the lure he is using and give it a fair try before forming any opinion. Experimentation is the Mantra of angling.

As for as Soft lures goes, a very slow retrieve is my first choice.

Mario, I have lot of Soft lures lying with me and I can share some with you in case you want to give it a try. :P

Regards,

Ali.

PS; Some very nice fishes and a lovely location Kingfish. Congratulations. Would love if you can share your angling lore and experiences with all of us.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:40 am 
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Angler-ali,

Thank you for your comments and kind words.

Will try to put more pictures etc. on the forum.

Unfortunately, a lot of my earlier photos of Iran fishing in the early 1970's
are lost as we had to leave that country during the antiShah Revolution -
those were pioneering days and there were some lovely pics of high altitude
fishing for trout and of our stay in traditional tribal tents with the tribal chief
etc.

Anyhow, time to move on.....

Kind regards,

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:30 am 
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Hi Kingfish,

Thank you for taking so much trouble to explain how the lures are rigged.
I will definitely take your advise in going thru you tube. I have a new set of lures that look like the green one that you have.

The hook setting is like how I have used them. I shall have to work more on the technique and naturally go and fish some more.

May your fishing always be great.

Warm Regards,

Dev


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:30 pm 
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Dev,

Thank you so much for your kind words, may you succeed in your quest.

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:24 pm 
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well, the soft plastics do work well. as brought out earlier in this thread by Ali Bhai and kingfish the retrieve has to be very slow. i found this out in the last two days when i have been going to our local port and tried them storm swim shads near the jetty on a slow retrieve. i had a huge strike yesterday and the fish swam under the boat i was on. i could not budge the sucker and the wildcat rod was bent in a "c". i finally wrapped my hand in my kerchief and yanked. the fish moved a bit and then the 20lb braid snapped. i repeated this again today morning and had a strike in the same area on another swim shad. this time i was using 30 lb braid and 30 lb mono leader. again a repeat performance but this time i was broken off on the initial strike itself.
could these be groupers and if so what rig should i use to get these guys ?
the locals do catch groupers on hand lines and i have seen small potato cod hauled out.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:08 am 
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Ace-doc,

Shabash for persevering with the soft plastics!!

It does sound like a massive fish that may need serious upgrading of your line and leader.What is the outfit you are using?

I would suggest that upon hookup with the upgraded gear, you immediately try to move the boat out to a more open location, so that the fish cannot get into any structure (jetty pylons etc.) and break you off.

This is turning out to be an exciting event and I would be pleased to see you get this monster and share your pictures with us.

Best of luck.

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:55 am 
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kingfish ,
the outfits i now have are these

rods
1- 8 ft daiwa beefstick- 30 lb max rating.
2- 7 ft uglystick tiger bigwater- 50 lb max rating
3- daiwa crossfire- 14 lb rating

reels
1- penn slammer 560 - spooled with 30 lb braid
2 - shimano hyperloop 6000- spooled with 30 lb yozuri hybrid
3- penn silverado spooled with 20lb braid.
i use 30 lb leader with the 20 lb braid and 50 lb leader for the 30 lb braid.
joined by albrights knot.
the first fish i was still able to move around a bit , but the second guy just busted me off.
i cant go higher on the line right now as i just spooled th slammer with 250 yds of the 30 lb braid. i also have some 80 lb wire leader. i plan on using 100 lb mono for hand lining using an up and down rig with live bait.
i am going to land this fish no matter what..


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:20 pm 
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Ace-doc,

The Ugly Stik with the 560 Slammer loaded with say 50 lb. braid and 80lb mono leader would have been a good choice - with a tight drag to pull out the fish with the boat moving away from its lair. Once it is in open water, you could fight it on level terms.

This is a standard tactic in Australia when fishing for large GTs.

However, I am sure the handlining setup will also give you a good shot at landing this fish.

Eagerly awaiting news from your end.

Kingfish


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