INDIANANGLER

hi guys!

first pls accept my apologies, if this question/topic looks silly or too basic.

anyway, if we use atta (wheat flour) as bait what should we do with it to keep the bait longer on hook

for example i take a cup of flour, mix half cup of shakkar, knead it well, put it in boiling water for 20 mins and then after cooling its ready and stays quit a while on hook.

pls share your experiences (atta based bait recipes), thanx

Rana

Mix it with cotton wool..

really?

I have seen that if you knead the atta well then you don't have to boil it. In fact sometimes it gets to hard and the hook does not come out when you strike. (You get the whole bait back).

We use condensed milk and atta (1 tin to a kg aprx), banana and atta (works well) and barfi and atta.

For the smelly stuff hing, haldi, garlic, chicken stock kneaded in is pretty cool.

Having watched the man friday at home doing the hard work I have figured out a few simple points. ADD water very slowly and sparingly. Put a lot of muscle in the kneading. And don't leave the atta in the fridge or water will condense on it later and make it to soggy.

I have done this & it works

Yes

hi santosh good you are from mumbai me too pls let me know where and what time you go for fishing also what difficulties you face while fishing science how long time you have started fishing.

best regards ....

aasif s

Hi Aasifs,

Nice to see one more mumbai angler, can you pls post your intro in introduction section as per the forum rules?

well the biggest difficulty I face is my wife

Asif, are you from vashi

There's an early post of mine-what excuse do yu make to run away fishing! think we must revive this Santosh??!!
I used the usual atta+ water as a kid, then learnt about the finer nuances.
Depending on water flow, the consistency needs to be hardened.You seem to be doing right about boiling for 10-20min after the atta -shakkr mix. only remember to add any essences like vanilla,strawberry AFTER the boil-cool cycle as these essences are food grade and usually not very heat labile-boil with essence -you'll lose the smell!
Regular, so called 'surgical' Cotton ( as its labelled!) works fine, yes, also,starch from boiling rice-whats called kanji or Ganji? mix that instead of water to the atta. Go for it buddy-some one on IA has to be catching fish somewhere on this planet, at any given time!

Hi Asif
The other day an old fisherman told me another technique. That is to put the atta-shakar paste on about two dozen hooks and place the hooks in the oven/tandoor for about 10 mins so that they are half cooked and get hard. Carry the hooks in a way that they dont rub with each other. I tried it and found that the atta stays on for quite a while. Could not catch a big fish though, few small common carps only. The only problem is that a fresh hook has to be retied every time. Any view on this?
Regards
Sualeh

The problem is easily solved by using a hair rig. Put the ball in the tandoor, let them cook and take them with you. When you need them, needle the hair through.

Another thing to try at the jodhs.

Thats great Mahaseeken, but would it work in heavily fished lakes where the fish have gone really clever. People normally cover the hook with the bait or the fish wont take it. What do you say?
Cheers
Sualeh

Hi Sualeh,

From what I have read the hair rig was invented to tackle heavily fished areas where the fish were much smarter then they normally are. (it's turtles that are dumb). The hair allows the fish to take in the bait with out feeling the hook which is much smaller than normally used, 10, 12, even 14s. A dead/fixed bolt on the line serves as the "jatka" and the exposed hook gets stuck. Alternatively a free line is also used but then the angler has to be very alert. Sometimes the hooking happens when the fish blows out the bait. Again only and exposed could do this.

Pretty clever little rig. The two hook setup that Bops posted is a good innovation to it. But let the fish decide if it really that smart a trick.

cheers

Thanks Mahaseerken, now its understood.
Cheers
Sualeh

Thanx for tips guys!

Just wonderning isn't this cotton thing harmfull to fish? (if its not gonna go to your kitchen)

2nd thing, why boilies are not in use or atleast not that popular as regular local baits (atta, chemical, ragi etc) in India and Pakistan?

any comments?

BTY Sauleh, where are you fishing these days? if rawal lake what do you use there?

ooooooops too many question....

Hi Rana
Cant say about India but in Pakistan people dont use boilies simply because they dont know about them.
I go to Rawal lake whenever i get time. normally use atta, mixed with shakar and vanilla essence and formed into balls. However, caught a grass carp and a gulfaam (common carp) using earthworms last week. My kids caught many Talapias using a wet fly/earthworm combination with a spinning outfit. See you soon.
Cheers
Sualeh

Sualeh,
Booby is right. The best way to hold your atta is to mix cotton with it. Even if your atta is soft (Which is the best way), it will stay on the hook for a long time.

Ali..

Yes, I agree, people just don't know about these trends.

also i think nothing can still beat a earthworm in our waters.

by the way have you ever tried boilies?

congrads on grass carp and a gulfaam, what were their size? and I am sure kids must be enjoying not everyone has such a great dad

Its ramadan, so next visit will be after Eid, may be i'll catch you guys then around rawal lake...

Hi Rana
Gulfaam and grass carp were caught by my sons. I could not catch anything that day. Both were slightly less than a kg but still a great size for the kids. We will be there on next saturday evening again. My kids dont like a weekend without fishing, even during Ramadan.
I learnt that Shaphan and Fakhir had a great time on some unknown dam and caught 17 Rohus, Gulfaams and grass carp. So, Ramadan has really not effected some of us.

Cheers
Sualeh

wow great kids sualeh! I wish i could do the same.
i usually go to crush. where do you guys fish at rawal lake?

if its Fakhir Rizvi, then i saw his report on pgfa, it was some
dam near gujar khan. strange thing is don't find his report now.

as far as shaphan is concerned, he always have some thing new hidden
up his sleeves.

regards

Rana

Yes Rana, its quite strange that the report is not there. At Rawal Lake, we normally sit in the vacinity of boating club. See the PM.
Regards
Sualeh

Try mixing some bread with atta............

Tim

bread last longer than wheat dough. jus remove the crust and add some water to make into soft dough. infact it last for pretty long time....

thanx! timnorris and rod n reels

I'll try both tips next time.

Fishman


it was "Narali Dam"

Thanx Shah Jee! How is it going? seems quit? No recent fishing activity?

I am also busy as hell, and want to try some new real
place this time (as soon as i get out of this hactic routine).

Any place with good reports near our city???

Agree with tim and rod&reel,
A loaf crustless bread+ honey, vanilla, 1 kela and sugar syrup from rasgullas, and anywhere becomes a fishing paradise! ken, that trip to the jodh where you and sanjay were hauling out carp like it was going out of style? this was all i could find and whip up as hook bait at 11pm the previous night!Enjoy
Best
Axx

I prefer going for mixtures of bread softened with hing pulao/nariyel pulao/hariya(type of liquor)/rotten coconut oil/oily part of my groundbait....seperately of course.

And before casting top them with ants eggs.
Use essence with lots of caution.

Regards,
Saiki

saiki .....the mixture u mentioned is good bait for rohu and mrigal . wht about catla? and if u know bait for chital ...plz share with us....coz i find these most elusive ones...!!!

Rod&reel, a word of advice-get off the sms mode please?would prefer plain jane ENGLISH.

ROD n Reel,

Chital or Mohi as we call them are great predators. Use live chilwa, frogs and plugs.

Narora, near Aligarh, was a great place for them. Now unfortunately the UP mafia has finished them off.

sorry guys for my bad english. i didn't realise i was using sms language. this is what happens when you use too much of cellphone....!!!

thanks Mahaseerken , i have been trying to catch these fish for so many months, infact i tried frogs and snales ....but somehow i didn't get any strike...may be i was just little unlucky...... i was beginning to doubt my baits .

Chitala should take spoons used for great white sheat-fish (Wallago attu).

Is Boilles is use full in pakistan and india for carp fishing?

[quote="Bobby"]Mix it with cotton wool..[/quote]
i agree with u it gives good result
but if u iff u add cummin powder?
what do u say?

[quote="FaakhiR Rizvi"]Is Boilles is use full in pakistan and india for carp fishing?[/quote]
i thing it is not good methed coz the smell and taste of atta will be changed after cooking

On the contrary, the cooking gives it a better appreciated smell.

Cheers

Hi,
am not much of a bait angler but on the recent trip used Berkley power bait strawberry mixed with atta and then boiled. Result in 1,1/2 days of fishing - Rohu -6, Khagga(bull dog catfish type) -2 , Turtles -5,Tengra -1. Cheese spread mixed with atta also worked but we got only 1 fish on that for a dog decided to make a meal of this combination.
We were on the Beas and that area is regularly fished and fish are shy.
Cheers
Hamdhingra

What happened to the Turtles?

I have eaten Turtles, they are quite good...

Threw them(turtles) back.There was a farmer on whose land we camped and I had asked his son if he wanted to keep an odd one - to which he said no.His father a very old man came in the next day and asked for the same .They call them "Pret" -that bhoot pret type. Anyway we had no turtles but I did give him 2 rohu's .We had trampled some of his seedlings as also polished off some of his moolies.
Cheers
Hamdhingra

hmm I didn't understand that much..Could you explain some more about this? :) Sounds pretty interesting!

I know that bhot and pret means ghosts but what do you exactly mean xD ?