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 Post subject: Masheer Species
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:50 pm 
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If somebody could please list down the various species of Masheer in the sub-continent along with the names the pics would be really help full as i just wanted to cross check with the species in Pakistan.


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OMO's deptt. :lol: :lol:

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There are only two species of mahseer in the Indus River System,

Tor Tor: The Red Finned Mahseer

Tor Putitora: The Yellow Finned or Golden Mahseer

Most of the fish I used to catch by trolling spoons in Rawal Lake were Red Fins. In Simly the majority tend to be Yellow Fins.

On the Indus at Attock my dad caught a 30 lb. Yellow Fin.

Im not really sure about the mahseer found in Balochistan, but from pictures Ive seen they too appear to be T. Putitora (Yellow Fin)

Also, the colloquial pronunciation of the fish's name in both Pakistan and Northern India is Maa-Sher, but the Anglicized version is Mahseer.


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What about TOR KHUDREE ( Gosh I hope i have got the spellings rite) also referred to decane Masheer??????

I think pics would be also helpful in setling the whole predicaeint


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Shaphan.....
There are lots of details and discussions about Mahseer species in IA. Mainly posted by Owen and some others. Keep surfing the forum and you will have a better picture.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:44 pm 
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OK thanks to all the guys who have contributed pictures, i will post pictures of the 4 species of mahseer that we have here in India. There is a fifth (the tor mosul or copper mahseer) that Bops had posted, need to hunt around the forum to find it.
Tor Mussullah (Silver)
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Tor Kudhree (Deccan Mahseer)
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Tor Tor
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Tor Putitora
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There are many colour variations in the mussullah and the kudhree which need mention.

In the mussullah there are the Gold with orange fins and the silver with orange fins, there could also be a black, but i don't have picture evedince.

The Kudhree can be distinguished from the mussullah as the body is more rounded, it has less of a hump, its head is a little smaller than the mussullah, Its dorsal fin is laid back while the mussullah has an erect dorsal fin, and the anal fin is less rounded than the mussullah. Last of all it does not grow as big as the mussullah.

The kudhree comes in colours of black, bronze, silver, gold, and many of them have blue fins.
The difference between tor tor and the putitora can easily be seen from the pictures.
Hope this helps
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Thanx owen,

For the detials and the PICs.

Regards


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:19 pm 
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Owen,

Their actually is a third species of mahseer in Pakistan. Tor Zhobensis is a species that is found in Northern Balochistan.

Their is a picture of one on the net, just go google image search and type in PAKISTAN MASHEER and it will be one of the first pictures to show up.


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Ali,

Couldn't find the pic. If u could post it would appreciate that


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Thanks Ali,
I guess it's picture from trekearth.com
Interesting looking fish, even more stream lined than the putitora if that is possible.
Actually we have a couple more mahseer species here too, but they are fairly small and hard to find so i stuck to the big 4.
There are others in Malaysia and Thailand too besides Iraq.
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Searched in Google...found this Snap in trekearth.com

Hope this is the Fish Ali was Talking about :D

Owen is right, it is more stream lined than the Tor putitora, :shock:

Posting the Pic for all those who didn't find it

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Hi Viper,

You have got to take into account that the fish in the picture above has been gutted as well, so it will tend to look more streamlined without the bulge.

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Viper,

Thanx for the PIC. Ur rite its more streamlined despite being gutted.


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the scales also look a bit different. don't know if that is because it is dead and has met the knife.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:01 am 
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Mahaseerken wrote:
the scales also look a bit different. don't know if that is because it is dead and has met the knife.


Add to that, the pic has been taken with a pretty strong flash.....

V.


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I also noticed that the scales seem to different, maybe slightly larger than those of T. Putitora.

Since much of Balochistan is not connected to either the Indus River System or the Helmand River of Southern Afghanistan Its probably descended form an isolated population of T. Putitora that has evolved differences over millions of years.

Owen,

I also read about accounts from WW1 of massive mahseer from the Tigris and Euphrates in Iraq.

This fish though has now been quite well documented and its not really a mahseer at all, but one of the true Barbels. Their are several types of Barbel in the Middle East but the mahseer like one is the only spieces that grows to great sizes. Its called Gau Mahi in Farsi but I dont know the Arabic name, I think its scientific name is Barbus Grypus.

Heres a a pic of a British Officer in Iraq with one.
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Wow! What a fish.

My dad knew an Iraqi diplomat a long time ago. I remember we used to go to their house for dinner and would often be served fish that was flown in from bagdad. It was steamed and real good to eat. It was not mahseer but a type of carp that was 'only found in Iraq'.

hope the yanks leave some alive.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:35 pm 
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Man, that's a serious fish.
I remember reading the article somewhere, apparently ths angler caught them from Saddam's lakes where no one was allowed to fish. Sigh. It's good to be King.

Gen. R.B.Phayre was planning on writing a book about mahseer in the '40s but India 'liberated' herself and the readership hopped it home and lost interest. He mentions 200+lbs fish caught on atta in the Tigris and Euphrates around the '30s and '40s, Barbus seich, a cousin of our mahseer. He also mentions people getting dragged away by the fish. Photos of a 233lb fish with the platoon were witnessed by him. The hooks were fashioned from bayonets and other sundry metalware. The line used to be surplus telephone cable left over from the war....
Got this from 'The Fisherman's Bedside Book', 2nd ed., 1948.

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What a fantastic fish!!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:15 pm 
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Vedan!
There's a reference to this (telephone cable and gun metal hooks and fish being pulled out with the help of trucks) in the Anglers handbook to India... or something like that.

Man what an age that would have been. Basic equipment and big fish. MAke me want to read Corbet and Anderson al over again.


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Fateh Sb,

Great going, thas some prety Neat Info.

Still waiting for your singhara PICs from Mangla. and where was that secret place u mentioned??????


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:32 pm 
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Image

Another putitora, 18kgs, taken on drifted crab from the Ramganga. That's my better half (the one with the rod). Not her first fish, but definitely her personal best.
She wants a 36kg mahseer next or a bigger goonch.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:33 am 
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Nice catch Vedan. Good fish too!

Believe me there is nothing better than a better half who fishes. I am looking at one right now.


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You are a lucky guy, Vedan !!

My wife will not join me on my fishing trips :(

Hopefully my daughter will :D


tight lines

Makarand


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Way to go Vedan.

Nice Masheer. Do the both of u go together often


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:26 pm 
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Flyfisher,

Start her on it now. And take her to places where she is sure to catch something. The first few trips are very important. But put no pressure.

Our honeymoon was s fishing trip up the Ganga and down the kali in the back of a Gypsy. Then we stopped for a year when our little girl came along. Now we make at least two trips a year together. And all of us take the plugs out swimming. This is my long term plan (shhhhh! keep mum) to ensure I always get to go fishing. Sneaky I know but hey It is fishing mate.

On the last trip my daughter caught a few small trout at ramganga on atta and worm. She can't cast but she sure can recognise a nibble from a bite. I ove the way she gets everyone to keep quiet when she feels the first few raps.

best of luck mate. Daughters rule.


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