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 Post subject: Exotic Powai
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:43 pm 
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There are many exotic species of fishes, that are now part of the complex Eco-system of Powai.

In recent past, a big fish was spotted by some of our members, believed to be Notopterus Chitala! previously unknown to this particular body. I personally have seen Arwana, angel fish and some more fishes which were impossible to recognize.

I am starting this thread so as to create a dairy where all of us who are also member of MSAA can post all there catches and after proper Identification, we can build a data base for future references.

Here are two of them, A giant Gorami of proximately 1.5 Kg, and the other small tiddler, which was, believe me, much, much difficult to catch.

The Exotic Gorami..

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The little Devil which gave us (Ask Fredd :P ) a very tough time. Please identify this beauty.

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I am sure, there will be many more surprises from this amazing water body..

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Ali, what about those small Murrels.. I had few pics.. let me find them. Also I have a pic of a fish which looks like a bottom feeder about 6 " in size, very pretty... let me search.

About that arowana.. I almost had it. Wanted to gift it to Fred. That was one big fish of about 2/12 ft.

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Lil off topic.. but they too are part of heaven called powai.. :D

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Here is another one, caught by one of our member hawk eye. These yellow tail catfish are also a new addition to Powai.

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Yes Santosh, do post those pictures.

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Initially, I thought it was a pool barb (puntius sophore) but the tail is the wrong shape.
I'll have more of a look when I get a minute.


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Could it be "Spotted Barb, (P. binotatus)"

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Puntius dorsalis


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Quite sad to see so many alien fish in Indian waters...Some of them have been slowly depleting our native fishes..Simply by outcompeting our native fishes for food!

Ken : The orange blotch is usually a feature of the P.sophore...But in this case I suspect it strongly to be a P.dorsalis ..Mainly due to a discussion on similar fishes on a different board


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I'm stumped by this one.
As I say despite the colouration being right for a pool barb, the tail on your fish is pointed whereas that of the pool barb is rounded - rules that one out.

I've looked at a few images of Puntius dorsalis. You may be right but I'm not convinced. The images that I've seen all lack the degree of lateral compression of the body seen on Ali's fish and they have the thickest part of the body well forward of the dorsal fin whereas Ali's fish is deepest right under the dorsal much like a Tinfoil or Java Barb (it's neither of those either) then there's the dorsal fin itself. All dark on on dorsalis but clear with a distinct dark mark on Ali's fish. Finally, there is the orange marking behind the Operculum which is absent on the images that I've seen of dorsalis.

There are conflicting images of the spotted barb. Some have spots along the body and some don't. It may be that they fade with maturity. Body shape is right but no orange spot and no marking on the dorsal fin.

It may very well not be native as in such a large city there will inevitably be aquarists that dump their exotic pets into lakes and rivers.


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I will look for the paper on P.dorsalis that should help I guess...

Reg the P. binotatus , from what I have read their known distribution doesn't extend until India and then the body markings. I dont really think any aquarist in India would take the effort to get a P.binotatus and then dump it in a lake. Been in the hobby for a fair bit of time and the P.binotatus is hardly a sought after fish out here!


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The Indian mottled eel, Anguilla bengalensis bengalensis :?:

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ID please..

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santosh wrote:
ID please..

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Metro shoes ... size 8 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


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here is another snap of another tiddler. This one got itself hooked on the pop up hook of feeder.

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Here is one that looks similar . From Sita river Karnataka.


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@angler_ali: is that a swamp barb (Puntius chola)...??


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Ali ...I too have caught those "tiddlers" at Powai on a couple of occasions.
Santosh ... your fish (not the shoe :lol: ) looks very much like a baby version of the "mystery fish" Gordon and I spotted at Powai about a month ago !! An ID of this baby could solve the mystery of the adult.

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:oops:


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no i dont think it was sort of mulley... rather it looked like albino singhi... it had those sharp spins too, vat say santo?

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Am thinking abt same...was it more towards greenish color? There is this fish here - knifefish type of body, parrot green in color, same shape, maybe thinner, known as "pari". Sam says he has seen it getting hooked...


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The giant gourami is a beautiful specimen ... Its probably the veil tailed variety


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the one with satosh looks like a mulley and the one in jeens hand looks like a carnatic carp to me.


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Fredfish wrote:
Metro shoes ... size 8 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


Good one Fred :)


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I think i'm going to have to go back and pin the first ID on the Pool Barb afterall.
This image from Fishbase: http://www.fishbase.us/tools/uploadphot ... phore2.jpg

Best guess on the cat (I'm assuming you've ruled out a Mully) would be either wallago leeri or Pterocryptis wynaadensis.


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@ Alibhai - Can I keep the Giant gourami the next time you catch one? ;)
Its a Fun fish to keep in a tank ... especially the big uns


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Ali: Thanks for the pics...

Ken you are right...Since there are no prominent Barbels...This should be the the P.sophore. . Below distinguising factors for the three closely resembling species, Thanks to my friend Marcus Knight.

Puntius sophore : Diagnosis- One spot on the dorsal fin present in adults also. Absence of barbels and a rounded snout

Puntius dorsalis : Diagnosis- One spot in the dorsal fin which fades in the adult. The spot is laterally elongated on the posterior end of the fin. Presence of long barbles which are clearly visible. Longer snout.

Puntius chola : Diagnosis- Two rows of spots in the dorsal fin. The first row looks fused almost like a spot and is at the root (angle) of the dorsal spine. Presence of a small pair of barbels.

For pics see the link


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santosh wrote:
The Indian mottled eel, Anguilla bengalensis bengalensis :?:

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Santosh this is a Mastacembelus sp. M.armatus.


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Jeen: your fish is a P.sarana...Grows much larger than the P.sophore or P.dorsalis


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The cat posted by Sanhtosh is Heteropneustes fossilis commonly known as Singhi in India. The othe name of this fish are Asian Stinging Catfish, Fossil Catfish, Liver Catfish, Stinging Catfish.

We will take Kens opinion, so the tiddler in question is a Pool barb.

Here is another Cat, caught by Ashish.

Mystus gulio or Long Whiskered Catfish

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@Santosh : Any closer pics of the catfish..Looks interesting!


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Lets see if this works...
http://www.fishbase.org/Country/CountryChecklist.php

Edit: Nope. Didn't work. Was hoping to provide a direct link to my favorite fish ID page but it doesn't want to play.

The best way I've found to quickly identify fish whilst travelling is to go to fishbase.
http://www.fishbase.org/
Scroll down to "Information by Country / Island" and select (in this case) India from the drop down.
Click on the "freshwater" button under "Biodiversity" and wait a few moments for the page to change.
Right at the top of the listing page page you have a "Sort by" bar and on that, click the "Family" (Groups the fish together and makes searching much easier) and "Show photos" and wait again.
What you end up with is a list of all the species present grouped by family (So all the lookalikes tend to be together) and there are 50 on a page.
Right at the very bottom of the screen is a "Next" button that allows you to pull up the next 50.

Of course, this largely falls flat when people are dumping their exotic pets in a waterway - but it's a start.


I'm not even going to have a guess at the second cat. There are so many similar species that it's hard to tell them apart from a photo.
I still havent got a species ID on the ones that we catch off the beach in Goa !


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Here is a description of Puntius sophore taken from Ranjit Daniels book "Freshwater Fishes of Peninsular India":

Small, silvery barb with a moderately deep body and clear fins. A black spot at the base of the dorsal fin, and another at the base of the tail, identify the species. The adults bear a pink, round spot on the gill cover and a pink lateral band along the sides.
Attains a maximum length of 13 cms although the normal size is 5 - 6 cms. The barbels are absent. The males may show tints of red in the tail and anal fins. The scales are medium sized and number 22 - 27 along the lateral line.
Also known as Spotfin Barb.


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vyastk wrote:
@Santosh : Any closer pics of the catfish..Looks interesting!


No Mate.. thats the only one I have.

But I guess its a Singhi (Albino)


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Fredfish wrote:

Metro shoes ... size 8


Wrong.. Franco leone ...size 10 :lol:


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:lol: :lol: :lol:


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