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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:54 pm 
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Experts require you guys to identify this fish.

This was caught from a small pond near rocks.

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Looks to me like a juvenile blue face angel (Pomacanthus xanthometopon).
Nice find!!, they do get big and more colorful :-)

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Beautiful fish man. Where have you kept it???????? How is it doing?


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Google baba ki jai. Its a Koran angle or even known as semicircle angle. They are found go indo-pacific region. Color changes as it attains adult hood. Can grow up to 15inc.

Sanju its doing good from last 4 days. Its kept in a tank at Ahmeds place.


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Several Juvi angels look like this when young, It could be a Koran, Emperor or a Majestic angel just to name 3, like I said a lot of Juvi angels look like that when young. Where exactly was this fish caught? The round spots on the edges of the fins do not look very Koran like and the straight stripes do not make it look very Emperor like.

Please note that Salt Water angels need a decent amount of Veg in their diet, nutrition which they cannot get from terrestrial veg, no matter what you read on the net, if they do not get this veg they will succumb to hole in the head or lack of nutrition. If you have any Chinese shops nearby please purchase some dried seaweed (that is not salted or spiced) and feed it bits at a time.

Do you live in Bombay? If you do then I will get you some dried sea weed later this month, this will last you for over 2 years if stored properly. I have kept several angels and fed them on this seaweed with other fish meats and it works well.

Please use a good salt mix and change 25% of the water every 2 weeks, and guys, if you think you cannot care for it, please consider releasing the fish.


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Het Bobby,

Thanks for the info. Yes i do stay in Mumbai.

This fish is at my friends house, he caught this when he was on the rocks. I was browsing the net to learn more and more about salt water aquarium to see how best we can support this fish and try and give a natural environment.

I am sure lot of us want to have a salt water aquarium at their place.

I don't know where to start with and the equipments that are require.

Bobby it would be great if you can share your experience and techniques please.


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Unreal!! That is an emperor angel juvenile. If it's caught in local waters, then it's a very significant and lucky find keeping in mind the oil spill and polluted waters.

Here's a short video of my koran juvenile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyccfR-KeTw

I have some seaweed and would love to share some. or you can try tetra bits. It will take some time to get used to dry food so try sticking some dried blood worms on the inside of the tank glass. These fish love pecking/grazing so you can even pick a rock (from the same spot) that has seaweed attached to it. For water changes use synthetic salt that is specifically meant for saltwater aquariums like Red Coral, red sea, costs around 120 -150 bucks a kilo. Marine fish need a lot more care than freshwater fish.

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So thats the fish you were telling me about !!

Sunder ati Sunder :-) its a Beauty Raj !
last month in Murud I caught two very beautiful Groupers 1kg & 1.25kg and released them quickly before my fellow anglers persuade me to keep it , All I can say is that Their Looks Saved them :P


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Thanks Siddhart for the suggestions and yes any help will be of great welcome. And must admit thats a beautiful aquarium that you have.

Yes Sayed bhai this is the fish that i mentioned about.

Bobby you are correct most of the Juvenile angel fish look alike.

This one comes very close to Annularis Angel Juvenile. Below is the image of the same.

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That's a pretty lovely fish


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That is a nice aquarium quasi, I would be careful about those corals in India as they are illegal to keep in captivity. Did I also see a anemone in the tank? That is risky with your corrals.

Take advise from Quasi raj, especially on the salt mixes. At first I thought your fish was a Juvi Emperor but I do not think so because all juvi Emperors I have seen have the stripes originating in a circular fashion. Do you want me to get the seaweed? You can share some with Quasi. I have kept angels for years with this seaweed as the only veg supplement and they all had no nutritional deficiencies. I have some multi-vitamins, trace elements etc for saltwater fish/corals that I do not need and can bring over and give them to you as well. Also feed the fish chopped sea shrimp etc. BUT FEED ONLY WHAT IT CONSUMES, DO NOT LEAVE ANY FOOD IN THE TANK OR IT WILL DECOMPOSE AND YOU WILL HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. Fresh water food really is not substantial enough for saltwaterfish. Given you live in Bombay sea food will not be a problem but synthetic salt will be expensive. I have salt but it will just be too damn heavy to bring along.

I think you are correct with it being a Annularis Angel, is it feeding properly?

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Thanks Bobby.

You are right Raj. it is a blue ring angel. Make sure you don't over feed it. If you plan to keep it, you can add a small skimmer to the tank as it will help greatly. You can also add a small internal power filter for filtration and water current (reef fish like medium to high flow of water). You can also add a little amount of carbon inside this filter for optimum water quality.


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Bobby >> It would be great if you can get some weeds.

Siddhartj >> Where in mumbai can i find salt for aquarium.


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Bobby >> It would be great if you can get some weeds.



OK I will get you some weed [smilie=smack.gif] :lol: :lol: :lol:

Please PM me your contact number and I will call you when I am in Bombay. Dont buy a skimmer just yet, I have 3 that I am not using, if I am OK for weight I will get one of them for you as well.


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Aquarium Salt supply is erratic in Mumbai but the best place would be Nautilus in Bandra, opp Bandra Lake in the basement of the Green Grower nursery building. It costs 300 for a 2 kilo bag.


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Amazing aquarium

all the best raj for the new passion :)


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Raj nice fish defnitely a blue ring angel mind it though it grows pretty big so you'd need atleast a 4' setup.
Give me a buzz i've got some nori seaweed that i used to feed my butterflys :) don't need it now cause my lion just gobbles up anything i put in :)


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Hi Shan,

If that is your phone number at the bottom appreciate if you can take it off, putting personal contact info is not allowed on the open forum. Apprecaite your understanding.

How long do you think that Nori will last? As if it will for a long time then i do not need to bring any with me.

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bobby i think it should last for atleast 3-4 months plus it can slowly be weaned onto marine pellets by then hikari has a nice range available all over mumbai.


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How is the angel doing?

I have got 2 packs of sea weed, I will arrive in Bombay tomorrow and will give you a call so I can pass the seaweed to you,

Bobby


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Hi Bobby,

Angel has adopted to the new environment and doing good.

Thanks for the weed.

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Is she eating the seaweed?


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Yes she is happily eating the weeds.
Thanks once again.


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Can you tell me what all are you feeding this fish, including the brand names of the dry food you are feeding this fish.


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No dry food, its the shredded pieces of small white shrimps and the weeds.

So far she is eating well.

Feeding is done the whole day in small quantity.


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Hi Raj,

Keep some quality dry food handy like tetrabits for salt and ornamental fish, I did not get any marine dry food as all mine had gone bad and I had to discard same.

Squid/Cuttlefish will also do well also some fish roe when available, I used to feed mine Bombay duck roe, I used to freeze the stuff.

Dont forget marine worms when you can get your hands on the stuff, also give tiny bits of earthworm a shot. However remember freshwater food and terristrial worms are no substitute for marine food.

Bobby


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