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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:42 pm 
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Hamdhingra wrote:
fished the Poonch river in '71-'72.Heavy mahseer fishing in apr - may. They will go for any lure .


Must have been great days but no more :cry: Now its a hardwork finding mahseer in Poonch river though they are still there.


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It wasn't the Shiekh from the fishing shop but our very own Sheikh Waseem. :lol:


Oh! thousend apologies :oops: As for trout in Tarbela, Ali has confirmed and has also given the reason for it which seems to be a good one.


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Hi Ali, about the snow carps, they have always fascinated me as well (but certainly not more than a wild brown trout). A very agile and beutiful fish which gives good fight. You are right they are mostly called 'desi machli' by locals. But one local name i still remember 'AIN BARO CHAMMO'. Am i right?
Locals in Skardu and Gilgit told me that snow carps grow upto 10 kgs, generally much bigger than trout. What is the biggest size you caught. Please tell me more about this fish. Secondly, what is bola ?
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I have only heard tall tales of snow carp that big, they generally dont grow larger than five pounds and some species ten.

I dont know any Balti so I cant help you with the name.

In Chitral we used to have a fish called the Turkestan Barbel, which is found throughout Afghanistan and Central Asia and is a sub-species of the European barbel. It grows fairly large. They were rare in Chitral in the old days and are probably extinct today, It was never found anywhere else in Pakistan.


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Hi Sualeh,
If you mean Barilus Bola, it is the Indian trout. It could well be the Pakisthani trout :lol:
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Owen wrote:
If you mean Barilus Bola, it is the Indian trout.

Thanks Owen. Can you provide some more information about the Indian Trout. like its habitat, habits, catching methods etc. Sorry, could not find these details in fishbase etc.
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Sualeh, i am not a trout angler, but i have come across the Barilus Bola in most of the old angling books,like Rod in India, Curcumventing the mahseer etc. If i remember right, it survives in warmer water that the brown, or speckled trout and takes a fly. I will check and give you more info.
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Thanks Owen. One thing is for sure that Indian trout is from family Cyprinidae to which all the carps belong and not from family Salmonidae to which all the trout belong. Fishbase mentions the specie name of Indian trout as Raiamas bola. Interestingly, many of the fish given under the name trout in Fishbase are not trouts at all 8)
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Sualeh wrote:
Thanks Owen. One thing is for sure that Indian trout is from family Cyprinidae to which all the carps belong and not from family Salmonidae to which all the trout belong. Fishbase mentions the specie name of Indian trout as Raiamas bola. Interestingly, many of the fish given under the name trout in Fishbase are not trouts at all 8)
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You are right probably about that Sualeh


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very informatic discussion for us


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Sualeh, the Barilius Bola does not posses the adipose fin that the salmonidae family have, but otherwise looks very much like the trout and even posses spots.
He is a game little fellow and grows to 2 lbs, but the average weight is about 3/4lb. He will chase a fly or spinner quite often with eyes and head above the water.
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Thanks for the info owen :-) and sorry for late reply. Couldn't log in for quite a while due to committemnts. hope I find bola in Pakistani waters somewhere 8)
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Hi Owen,
Finally managed to see a pic of Indian Trout while scanning old pics on IA.[smilie=dj-wtf.gif] Its a nice pic given in the thread "Uttaranchal/India 2007-Fishy Pics" by Carpernicus. Its indeed quite similar to brown trout less the adipose fin, off-course. I havent seen this fish in Pakistani waters. May be Ali knows something about it?? Do you, Ali??
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According to the Raj era books the Indian Trout is not found in Western Punjab.

Thus I dont think hes present in Pakistani waters.

When I heard about trout in Tarbela I first assumed they were this species but upon close observation I veirified that their actually are Brown Trout in Tarbela.


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Thats right Ali, I also haven't heard of Raiamas Bola (Indian Trout) in Pakistani mountains. However, there is a specie of Snow Carps called "Aasala machli" (Schizopyge esocinus) which greatly resembles brown trout. This fish is found in abundance in Baltistan and many a times sold by locals as brown trout to the visitors. Would have been great to have Raiamas bola in Pakistan though [smilie=sadlook.gif]
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Sulaeh! That should be Barilus Bola not Raiamas Bola :lol:


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Owen! I believe Barilus Bola and Raimas Bola are the same fish. Fishbase mentions it as Raimas bola and quotes Hamilton. The common name given in fishbase is Trout Barb. May like to see [smilie=plainlook.gif]
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Species ... p?id=12017

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I stand corrected mate. Just knew the fish as Barilius Bola.


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