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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:28 am 
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Hello to all!

I registered on this site some two years ago and haven't posted since! This is largely a result of having been somewhat overawed by the depth of knowledge and expertise here but I would love to participate and learn more! That wasn't going to happen unless I described my own fishing so here goes.

I suppose this is about an angling location so I decided to post it here.

Most of the fishing in Bangladesh, which is where I live, is coarse fishing i.e. for Rohu, Catla, Mrigal, and other Labeos or related fishes and it is in stocked ponds, large and small. There is some fishing for silurids, mainly Boal (walllago attu) in our rivers. At two particular times of the year there is fishing for Labeos in our rivers as well.

However, this post is about my very own fishery.

We, as a family, are tea people. We cultivate tea in estates in the north-east of Bangladesh. My younger brother and I dammed a small valley in one tea estate and set aside the resultant lake for angling. We then set about stocking it with fish suitable for the sport.

What followed is a long and trying tale of misadventure, of home-cooked fishery science mixed with local folklore (a fatal mixture), of fish that refused to grow because the water was too acidic, too alkaline, too starved of plankton, too cold, too hot, too muddy, too clear, you name it! Fish that refused to grow because the amount of feed given was inadequate, died because there was too much feed, the feed was not of the right sort, and finally because there were too many fish and not enough fish and the fish came from hatcheries where genetic make up was not in the vocabulary. In other words they were seriously inbred and of the wrong parentage! My brother and I were entirely in agreement wih the last!

There were plagues of stunted and interfering tilapias and 'Thai Barbs'. These were dealt with by an inoculation of boalis which grew in exactly 18 months from 500 gram hit and run specialists to 10 Kg terminators! They had only to open and close there mouths to grow! By the way, a ten kg. boali will encompass a two kg. rohu with an alacrity that will leave your average fish eating Bong (inc. self) in rapturous applause! The lake had to be drained and restocked to get rid of them!

Nevertheless if you leave fish in water long enough they will grow. They will not be world beaters and you will scale your tackle and ambitions down to suit them. Thereafter every rohu over a kg. will be greeted with celebrations that would dim the reception to a century by Mr. Ganguly at the Eden Gardens. Enough! The place has its own beauty (if you have nowhere else to go) !

Incidentally, once a year we put in a net to see how the fish are doing. They are all released after that. Well, almost all! We Bongs must have our fish on Pahela Baishak ( The Bong new year).


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View of the lake - Catla in the air.

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Fish on!

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Leapers!

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Incoming!


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Catlas

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Rohu

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Kalibans

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Mahseer

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Pangwas

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Clown knifefish

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Grass carp

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Catla on 5 wt. fly rod. Bottom fishing.

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How its done!

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Common Carp

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Ghonia (Labeo gonius)

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Mrigal

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View of the lake from one of the fishing platforms.


I doubt if there is a six kg. fish in the lake but they provide a world of thrills.

If any Indianangler is in Bangladesh please do let me know and I will be only to happy to put him/her on to some fishing. You are all welcome to visit the lake pictured. It takes about three hours by road from Dhaka, the capital.

All the best

Lakhyaman


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:23 am 
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Hi,
thats real cool, your own fishing lake, every anglers dream come true. Well done. Can you consider introducing murrel or smakeheads into the lake, they will become good fighters but consultant your fisheries dept. to see if they are compatable with what you have already stocked

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Hi

Great write up and some nice pictures. I spent quite a few years in tea country up in the NE of India and relished the outdoor lifestyle. What kind of terrain and temprature is found in your place? If it's hilly with a temperate climate you could start breeding mahseer. I'm no expert but there are members on the forum who could help you out with this. Mahseer require running water but they thrive in dams also so no reason why you can't give it a try.

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every anglers dream would be to have a place like this! great!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:46 am 
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Michaelaga

Thanks for your encouragement.

The common carp in the lake breed regularly and were threatening to overwhelm all other fish. We introduced the Clown knifefish with the idea that they have small mouths and do not take very large fish. However they will take the newly hatched fry and fingerlings of the carp. It appears to have worked as the numbers of nuisance carp are way down since we introduced the knifefish last year. But now we find that tialpia are putting in an appearance (They appear by spontaneous combustion I think) and as these are likely to seriously overpopulate the water we are considering introducing sowl (Ophiocephalus striata) as a control element. They are good fighters and it would mean being able to spin for them.

Pandim

I already have golden mahseer in the lake - Tor putitora. They were voracious takers of dough bait when they were small. But once they have crossed the one kg. (yes, I know that's still small for a mahseer) mark there has been a marked falling of bites on various pastes. I have bought any amount of spinning gear and will try this method extensively the next time I am there (next week).

Thanks to both of you for your suggestions.

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Dear Lakhyaman

Splendid achievement , many a unbidden tear came to the eye of this bong. Looking at those lovely fish jumping.
What is the water source of the lake?. Just wanted to know, my in laws have a small fishery in the backwaters of Kerala, and fish seem to thrive
since the water is replenished daily by the main water body flowing by the house.
Anyways please keep us posted and someday when i visit the motherland i shall look you up.
Hope you will treat me to some authentic padma river Hilsa :):):)

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HI Lakhyaman,

Congratulations on finally getting it right. I suppose theres no short cut when you venture to do something new.

Like me, many others are sure to open their eyes to your post. I can just say Awesome. If I was in your place, all I would do would be 'Fish, fish & fish'.......especially like the pic with the Heineken beer :lol: seems like you are really chilled out.

Also must comment on the variety of fish that you have stocked. Would be quite interesting to try out various methods of fishing.

thanks for sharing this with us. Having a place like yours is any anglers dream. [smilie=coolup.gif]

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Hi Lakhyaman,

Thanks for sharing the pictures with us. You have a lovely place to fish, truly any anglers dream that too just three hours from Dhaka. If i was you I would be there fishing every day :)).

Quite liked the third pic. I & Ali were in a similar situation(worst actually) as that of the guy holding the net. Got hit by rohus that were anywhere between 5 to 15 lb.

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Fantastic! part of my dreams


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the lake was created by damming a very small stream and this does bring in a small quantity of freshwater into the lake every day. Nevertheless the levels do go down greatly during the dry season (October to March) and the water is essentially renewed in the rains. The soil is acidic as tea grows in acidic soils. this seriously retards the growth of the fish and requires regular liming to correct.

I sincerely hope you will drop by some day. the Ganges is only 2 hours from Dhaka and you and I will drive there and buy the Hilsa as they are brought in by the fishermen and you can have any amount of "shorshe ilish" as you want.

Keyur

One of the best things about it is that we (There are a whole bunch of anglers here who treat it as their own) do get to try out and develop our ideas on tackle and techniques for various situations and species to be used elsewhwere.

Santosh

The local fishermen have an absolute belief that you will surely die if you are hit by a fish leaping from a net (I suppose a big fish might burst some internal organ or the other). This boy was hit and it took considerable effort to pursuade him that he was not going to die!

M'ken, and to all of you

Its not a dream its a reality that is yours for the price of a plane, bus or train ticket. Please be my guest.

Thank you all for your appreciation.

All the best

Lakhyaman


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Wonderful!

Do keep us posted about your attempts at spinning. Do you still have any mulli (boal) in the pond? Small spinners and plugs will get you mahseer and maybe even some knifefish.

Great place you have there!


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Wooooo Lovely report story of Blood ,sweat,tears and Joy..! Great goin All the best.


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Great Story and some lovely pictures.


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Hi Lahkyaman,

Fantastic!! What is the altitude of this place ? since you mentioned tea. Great pics and terrain.

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Hello Lakhyamen,

A Great Place you have there and your constant efforts to cultivate many breeds of fish is really appreciated.

Have you tried introducing Snakeheads (Murrel) in one of the ponds anytime?

About Hilsa, here on western coast of India, they are seasonal and come during July and August. I believe, they come upstream in estuariess from sea for spawning. Kindly let me know whether in Bangladesh they are present in Ganges throughout the year and if not when do they enter estuaries from sea for spawning.

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arun.mohile wrote:

Have you tried introducing Snakeheads (Murrel) in one of the ponds anytime?


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Murrel may not be a good idea :wink:


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Very Nice :!:

The lake managment is a tough job as we know here in Powai :wink: .

keep up your effort and one day you will have a fishing heaven.

If you ever net the lake, make sure that you leave all the prize specimens back and very soon you will have some fighting devils lurking in the deapth of your lake..

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Very Nice :!:

The lake managment is a tough job as we know here in Powai :wink: .

keep up your effort and one day you will have a fishing heaven.

If you ever net the lake, make sure that you leave all the prize specimens back and very soon you will have some fighting devils lurking in the deapth of your lake..

Regards,

Ali.


Your right Alibhai, lake management is a tuff job if it were not for the efforts of people like you and all the other serious anglers at powai, the lake would have been a big swamp by now with encroachments all over.


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Ali (Pakistan)

There are no more boali / mulli (at least I hope not) in the lake. As far as knifefish go a number of anglers present in a tackle shop in Singapore were adamant that a three inch plug in fluorescent orange fished very slowly was the key to them. Orange it had to be and slowly! Will try and report.


Arun Mohile

The hilsa migrate into the Meghna Ganges system during the monsoon when they are exceedingly plentiful. However they may be found in small quantities throughout the rest of the year in these rivers. Some of those caught during the non spawning migration period are in fact "jatkas" or young of the year which have not yet migrated to the sea. In March / April large numbers are netted near the mouth of the Meghna estuary and along our coast very close to land as they mass before the spawning run.


Angler Ali

Fishery mangement remains fifty fifty witchcraft and science to me!

To all who suggested snakeheads:

They are under active consideration as a control for a feared tilapia population explosion although we are hoping the knifefish and the mahseer will do the job. Thanks for your suggestion.

Thanks to all of you for your kind comments.

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Lakhyaman


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bro truly nice report .I also want to mention that your invitation is really very tempting so may be some of us would see you soon . I think you really have a dream place as Ken mentions it correctly. fish on matey cheers [smilie=coolup.gif] [smilie=coolup.gif]


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WOW ! Great report . I have a private lake too...its only spread over 3000 hectares * chukle* ...Bhakra [smilie=happyspin.gif]


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Fantastic mate.... Every angler's dream is to have a lake of his own... Dude, you are one lucky sonova.... Great going mate ..


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Jeen

The place is only 400 ft, above sea level but being in the N.E. the climate is suitable for tea. The terrain is made up of small but steep hillocks giving it an appearance of "hill " country which belies the actual heights involved.

Rajatmukherjee

Mr. Mukherjee I look forward to having you over. Just let me know when you are coming. Can handle a crowd so bring one!

Gavin Ridge Cooke

I dug out your recipe for Catla bait. As you obviously know, it works!

There are regular train services from Sealdah station, Kolkata, to Dhaka. No weight restrictions so probably a good way to travel with your tackle if you want to bring it and take back the shopping!

There are regular (daily) bus services as well as several flights a day from Kolkata. There are regular flights out of Mumbai and Delhi as well. I would love to have you over.

Incidentally its not a huge place but large enough to allow the fish to put in a full run.

Billoo

I'll give you mine in exchange for yours!

All the best

Lakhyaman


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dear Mr. Lakhyaman,

kindly adopt me.... :lol: :lol:

ur a lucky man.. by far..

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You ae hereby adopted.

There may be some problems arising due to the father being younger than the son but.....

All the best

Lakhyaman


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This post has a host of drooling Indian anglers checking all bus, train & plane routes to land up at the earliest at this angling paradise on earth. Hats off to your perseverance & ultimate success.

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an xcellent report with amazing pics....
just one question, in your catla pic which is caught with fly rod, i can see 2 objects which are .22 shells, am i correct?


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dr. prasad wrote:
an xcellent report with amazing pics....
just one question, in your catla pic which is caught with fly rod, i can see 2 objects which are .22 shells, am i correct?
GOD look at this doc. You've got sharp eyes eh. Good observation i must say. But did you notice that fly sitting on the catla's tail :) jus Kidding. Hows is your fishing in malvan? Have you tried terekhol anythime? do let me know.

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You are absolutely correct. Those are .22 shells. My 12 year old son has always evinced a great interest in taking up shooting. I shoot for Bangladesh myself (skeet). The lake is about 35 metres wide at that point and I placed a target with the hill opposite as a safe backstop and after explaining the safe handling of a rifle let him have at it, keeping a very close eye on him all the time. Those shells are from his shooting session. When he had had enough and the gun was packed away safely I took up fishing.

All the best

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Beautiful place, beautiful pictures, beautiful story, very good English, everything was fine untill the .22 casings. What exactly do you feed the fish with...... fishermen? Just kidding, never been to the north. May just make one trip and take a detour. Are you using that fly rod for fly fishing or just for casting a float?


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nice to hear that jr. champ is in making... [smilie=coolup.gif] , n all the best to you for your shooting as wel....

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never been to the north. May just make one trip and take a detour. Are you using that fly rod for fly fishing or just for casting a float?


Hi Adolph, make sure you get your self a good Map and Compass when you go there or you may end up in :oops: Pakistan :lol: :lol: :lol: .


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Hi lakhyaman,

Welcome to IA.

Cheers
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Bobby wrote:
Adolph wrote:
never been to the north. May just make one trip and take a detour. Are you using that fly rod for fly fishing or just for casting a float?


Hi Adolph, make sure you get your self a good Map and Compass when you go there or you may end up in :oops: Pakistan :lol: :lol: :lol: .


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Hi Adolph, make sure you get your self a good Map and Compass when you go there or you may end up in :oops: Pakistan :lol: :lol: :lol: .


He he he. Bobby darling, dont you worry :lol: . If you know of the places I've been to, Pak is a fly. I will just rig it up and start fishing. BTW thats a nice place to fish, and I wont mind a bit. What say my brother from another mother? What I worry about is that after the fresh fish the Bongs will feed me..... I dont think I would want to come back, probably live there by the lake. :wink: (I saw the beer can too!!! :twisted: )


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Hi Adolph,

What I meant was if the sun sets over Maharashtra it rises over Bangladesh not Pakistan. It is a bit cryptic I know.

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Hi Lakhyaman.

Great write up and photos. What sort of tea due you make? Orthodox or CTC?

My brother used to manage tea gardens near Jorhat, Assam until the early 90's and the owner's bunglow had a big pond where the fish were hand fed by his wife when she was on the estate. I would time my school vacation to Bhai's place when "Aunty" was away. This would coincide with Aunty being in Calcutta with her children who would come down for school holidays from Darjeeling. I would sneak in with a fishing pole, chuck some rice and atta goli near the steps and catch a nice fat "Aunty's pet" Rohu with every cast. In ten odd minutes would have a sackful and quitely exit from the back gate into Bhai's bunglow while the chowkidar dosed on the front gate. All of Bhai's friends from adjoining gardens and Army Brigade commanders would then look forward to my next vacation...

Great to have your post mate on IA!

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We make CTC teas.

That is a great story.

I hope my pond is better guarded!

All the best

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Hello Lakhyaman,

Thanks for your information on 'Hilsa'. Here on Western coast of India, these are found only in the months of August-September and they are full of eggs. The egg bag is a delicacy when fried.

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Wow Lakhyaman! You have realised my dream there! How much area does the lake cover?
Thanks for sharing the info and pics!
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As I have said before the dream is yours! Get here!

The "lake", as I call it, as it is the result of a dam and not a dug up pond, is not very big at all. It has approximately five acres of water area. However it is in the shape of a "V" with a large open area at the bottom of the "V". The fish can easily run 150 - 200 metres up the arms of the "V" and your reel will sing you a classical "kheyal" or two if you let the fish run! In places they can even take you round the bend of the banks forcing you to get into the small boat I have on the water. You are, of course, the laughing stock of the day if you are forced to take recourse to the boat!

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Hi Lakhyaman,

I am sure your reel must have given you many 'Drut' Bandishes of classical music!

Tight Lines,

Arun


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i think that this thread should be blocked... each time i check out a new update i start drooling at the pics ... :lol: :lol:

Lakuda - this thread has two of my favurite things, Fish & Tea.. One day, yes, one day, i will be there ... :D :D


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lakhyaman wrote:
Yaj

As I have said before the dream is yours! Get here!

The "lake", as I call it, as it is the result of a dam and not a dug up pond, is not very big at all. It has approximately five acres of water area. However it is in the shape of a "V" with a large open area at the bottom of the "V". The fish can easily run 150 - 200 metres up the arms of the "V" and your reel will sing you a classical "kheyal" or two if you let the fish run! In places they can even take you round the bend of the banks forcing you to get into the small boat I have on the water. You are, of course, the laughing stock of the day if you are forced to take recourse to the boat!

All the best

Lakhyaman


Thanks for the invite Lakhyaman, will take you up on that :wink:
5 acres is pretty big. I am planning for a pond half the size.Will pester you for tips when i get around to doing it.
Regards,
Yaj.


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lakhyaman wrote:
Yaj

As I have said before the dream is yours! Get here!

In places they can even take you round the bend of the banks forcing you to get into the small boat I have on the water. You are, of course, the laughing stock of the day if you are forced to take recourse to the boat!

All the best

Lakhyaman


If you keep up the good work for some more year, no one will be laughing at the sighte of a monstor of a fish pulling your boat at will and you at the other end of the rod, feeling complete helpless.. :roll:

Best of luck and keep the good work going.

Regards,

Ali..

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Wow, great looking place and those pix of catla leaping are superb.
Keep a close eye on the tilapia, you don't want them ruining everything. Whenever you get the chance, drop a rod in with a worm on and have a few tilapia for tea!

I bet some trout pellets would get the reel screaming as a mahseer hits. It's never failed for me yet...


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Excellent post. You are living out every angler's dream. Suggest you take angler_ali's advice - put back the larger specimens whenever you net the lake, it'll lead to good angling in the years to come.


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GRC, Yaj

I look forward to your visit.

Steve

I feed the fish with pelleted high protein fish feed and will try it out come Sunday on a hook bait.

Ali bhai,

It is one thing being towed around by a monster and another being pulled around the bank by a two kg. rohu. Worse still is having the rod leap like a javelin into the water because the angler has had two many beers and has literally been caught napping!

Anilsud

We actually keep one or two medium sized fish when we net the pond once a year, the big fish are always released.

All the best

Lakhyaman


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Steve

I feed the fish with pelleted high protein fish feed and will try it out come Sunday on a hook bait.

Lakhyaman


You will need to keep throwing three or four into a likely area every couple of minutes, possibly for up to two hours, more likely the fish will be straight onto them.
Now you need to fix a pellet to the hook and keep casting every time you feed. If you can't get proper small pellet bands, try supergluing a pellet to the back of a hook.
Thin floats with only 3-4mm showing above the water will help...

Good luck


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