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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:42 pm 
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Can anybody network me to the Tata Power people working on the Mahaseer Breeding and Hatchery????

I am interested in establishing a mahaseer hatchery and want to figure how much time/effort that will take; also want a few personnel trained at lonavla.

Tata Power are the only people in India to have successfully bred 3 or 4 Mahaseer breeds incl the Golden. in the late 70s people in Kumaon tried to breed the Golden but were not successful - why, I dont know and the experiment was carried out in Bhimtal (near Nanital) and the tanks are still there...

Tata Power gives 100s of thousands of fishlings FOC to all and sundry and Powai lake in Mumbai is one such place where the stocked fish are maturing and may well be breeding themselves.

So if anyone has an uncle who's like the boss in Tata Power, do let me know.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:43 pm 
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virajchopra wrote:
Can anybody network me to the Tata Power people working on the Mahaseer Breeding and Hatchery????


Hi Viraj,
The person in charge of the breeding program at Tata Hydro Elect. Co. (Valvan) is Mr. Ogale. You can contact him on the following nos: 02114 - 270144 or res. 02114 - 272855. These are old tel. nos.
If you encounter any problems, I could ask someone in Lonavala to get his new tel. nos.
Hope this helps.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:50 pm 
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Thanks for helping out Sanjay!

Bops


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:36 am 
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Thanks Sanjay

I have been able to speak to a Mr Vishwas Rao, Horticulturist at Tata Power (+9223311378). He's taken over from Mr Ogale and also said that I should speak to him as he has over 25 yrs of exp with the breeding program.

I will certainly call Mr Ogale and plan on visiting Lonavla, if my plans mature

Thanks Bops

Regards

Viraj


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:05 pm 
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AAAHHH finally some Mahseer for my tank ....


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:07 pm 
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Wonder if them Mahseer like Arowanos... :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:28 pm 
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The other way around


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:33 pm 
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:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Bangers, statement please...
Viraj - Your comments appreciated as well..
Mr Bosen - Seriously need to taste Arowanos.. Deep fried and limed, over some draught.. yummy !! :P :P :P


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:43 pm 
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What were the dates u said you were in Bangalore ... Mr Ridge .... Ive got these lead shoes I want to put on you ... and see whether you can walk on water


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:10 pm 
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Will be there from the 1st till the 12th of Dec.... Them lead shoes wont hold me down, though.. You gotta do better than that..

Mahseer Zindabad !!! [smilie=thatworks.gif]


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:30 pm 
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Im back from Zurich on 7th so maybe ill just POP in .. Owen how do I get there


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:39 pm 
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Now that I have the contact nos, all i need is some funds to breed the fish :twisted:

What's arawanos :? sounds south american almost..like the tribes Tintin came across

I'm old, not wise so go easy on the slang..what's bangers or do i misunderstand


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:06 pm 
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Incidentally, there was a flood in lonavla this year and most of the brood fish are lost

I have spoken to Mr Ogale and he's very helpful - thanks Sanjay

He is clear that Mahaseer Hatcheries is the only way to conserve and it's not too much of a problem/expense - the idea is to release a couple of hundred thousand fishlings every year and expect great fishing in maybe 3 years..


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:08 pm 
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Did I say I was old :shock: :shock: :shock:

Shy of 41 actually, maybe 42 :?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:52 pm 
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Hey Viraj...

Bangers would refer to the population of anglers from Bangalore on IA.. :lol: :lol:

Arowanos are the fish that them folks buy when they have tonnes of money and no not what to do with it.. Heard that they give a good fight.. Both the fish and the owners :twisted:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:29 pm 
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Hey Viraj .. this time you can believe him ... but dont always believe that half bong ....


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:09 pm 
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Gavin Ridge Cooke wrote:
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Mr Bosen - Seriously need to taste Arowanos.. Deep fried and limed, over some draught.. yummy !! :P :P :P

Yuck! they probably taste of Fred's cockroaches! :shock:


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:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:37 pm 
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Mr Bosen ... what do you think murrel and catfish eat ..with your experience ... Just so that you know . thay are scavengers and eat a whole lot of crap .. and that goes for the Mahseer also . Next time you like that murrel with lime and garlic -lightly done -- the lighter its done the closer it is to what it eats .... Gotcha ?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:44 pm 
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That's why i stick to the catla's and the rohus... A complete package of goood booze and fish.. All in one set-up.. [smilie=gt_grinz-browwiggle.gif]

Told you buggers that you were fishing all wrong.. :twisted:

You still have time, dudes... :lol: :lol:


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virajchopra wrote:
I will certainly call Mr Ogale and plan on visiting Lonavla, if my plans mature


If going via Pune, lets see if we can meet up ?


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Fredfish wrote:
Mr Bosen ... what do you think murrel and catfish eat ..with your experience ... Just so that you know . thay are scavengers and eat a whole lot of crap .. and that goes for the Mahseer also . Next time you like that murrel with lime and garlic -lightly done -- the lighter its done the closer it is to what it eats .... Gotcha ?

Murral - Frogs & small fish
Cats- Worms
Masheer - we all know their diet.
No roaches on the Kaveri mate, and certainly none of them in our tanks. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:14 am 
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Hey Owen

I dont know what Mahaseer eat - camp talk says that it's a bottom 8) feeder and eats crabs, algae, smaller fish, flesh of partially cremated humans, worms & crawlies, atta, ragi, chilwa, plugs

Enlighten please


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:18 am 
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Viraj ,, u r enlightened ... yes they are bottom feeders and do eat all that you say .. Owen would like to believe otherwise


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:00 pm 
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Come on Viraj you have the answers already, you just forgot to mention spoons, figs (if there are fig trees along the river banks), oranges, worms, snails etc.
P.S Just sneaked out and bought 4 dozen paddy feild crabs 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:05 pm 
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It's quite simple really, you look at how the eyes are positioned and where/how the mouth is located to tell if a fish is a topwater/bottom water feeder...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:45 pm 
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The mahseer looks like a bottom feeder Bobby, but i have seen them take a spoon as soon as it hits the water. I have had the same experience on chilwa and ragi. The takes on exceptional days happen this way.
On such days, probably everyone fishing the stretch is rewarded with several fish, and dont come too often, so guys don't stop fishing no matter how tired or hot it is, just keep going, the fish coming in keep getting bigger and bigger at such times.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:07 pm 
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Hi Owen,

It is something about the way the Mahseers mouth extends that suggests it would be very comfortable feeding on the "up" as well. Believe it or not the way the mouth extends reminds me of the way a saltwater mullet's mouth extends.

I have exprienced those days fishing in the sea and it has something to do with the Moon and the season for that fish. If all is right magic happens :)

Regards,

Bobby


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:39 pm 
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Hey Owen .. check out Pats post on Mahseer eating habits in Uttranchal .. Gav .... happy eating ...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:46 pm 
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where's teh fullfing link ?? U dont expect me to search for it.. Am too lazy for that :shock: :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:51 pm 
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Darn lazy half bong. Click on Pat Kerr and all his posts will appear.
Ahem how long has this guy been on this forum now! :roll:


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DUDE, 400 POSTS !!!! FLUFFING WAT AN ACHIEVEMENT !! [smilie=sillyjester.gif]


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Get to work ..... u half bong ... ure always online ....


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And always replying to your threads :lol: :lol:

BTW , Viraj - Any news on the Breeding programs ??


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Ho Boy , now he wants to know about breeding programmes .... i give up ...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:32 pm 
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8) 8) 8)

Always room for learning...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:59 pm 
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and unlearning ... youve gotta lot of that to do too


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:52 pm 
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Gavin

Spoken to Mr Ogale who has worked 25 years with Tata Power - now retired - on the Mahaseer Breeding Program. So here's a gentleman with a lot of knowledge and hands on experience and better still wants to share the knowledge.

Incidentally, this year Tata Power lost most of their breeders because of flooding and have recovered from the reservoir appx 70 breeders.

Mr. Ogale said that he will be interested in helping anybody who's interested with the caveat that they must be serious etc..

More important, Mr Ogale explained that anyone who is serious about conservation must get into breeding and releasing fishlings as physical protection of the river is generally limited to a stretch and as the fish travel they do roam into unprotected waters. That makes sense.

I figure that if someone releases 200,000 fishlings per year in a given stretch then it is equivalent to maybe Mahaseer laying a million eggs - some get fertilized, some hatch, some survive the first 3-4 days after their mouths have formed, some survive the first month after they obtain fishling size. A mahaseer hen lays appx 4-5000 eggs at a time (this is based on Tata Experience) and therefore a million eggs (the actual figure may be plus/minus) is equivalent to 250 mother hens breeding in your stretch of the river.

Another thing that anglers need to think thru is the feeding of mahaseer that several camp outfits are practising - I think that its a poor idea as the fish get 'domesticated', SO maybe, some anglers have to speak up and against this practise - problem is the camp management is kind of commercial...

Now I just have to get my act together on this program - will know in a month or two whether I'm going ahead and will then share progress..


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:32 am 
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Hi Viraj, Thats an interesting post on mahseer .good luck and keep us posted for sure.
best
Axx


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